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The madman of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue
CHB ^ | February 20, 2003 | Doug Thompson

Posted on 02/21/2003 6:25:53 PM PST by Spidey

In the days, weeks and months following September 11, 2001, George W. Bush both surprised and impressed me with his handling of a national crisis.

Like many who watched Bush squeak into office via the Supreme Court’s intervention, I didn’t expect much of Dubya.

Yet he appeared to grow into the job and handled 9-11 with an adroit mixture of compassion and anger. Maybe, I thought, this guy might be up to the job after all.

That was then. This is now.

Now I’m not so sure.

As Bush prepares to lead us into war with Iraq, a war that even some of the uniformed hawks at the Pentagon still question, I wonder if Clem Kadiddlehopper has somehow gained access to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.

Just a little over two years ago, Bush stood on the steps of the Capitol and took the oath of office, promising to uphold the Constitution of the United States.

Now he seems hellbent on destroying the Constitution and, along with it, the Bill of Rights and just about every freedom and right that Americans starting fighting for after tossing several crates of tea into the Boston Harbor.

Back then, the 13 colonies faced the daunting task of getting out from under the tyranny of a man named George.

Now, 227 years later, we’ve got another madman named George saying it doesn’t matter what the majority of Americans want because, by God, he’s in charge and he will do whatever he damn well pleases.

Last week, Bush said he didn’t care if a majority of Americans thought he should wait and let the United Nations finish its work before invading Iraq.

“Sometimes you have to ignore popular opinion and do what’s right,” Bush said in a speech to a group of cheering veterans. “The President must govern, not be governed.”

Say what? Excuse me, King George, but this country was founded on the belief of “government of the people, by the people and for the people.”

Taking that Oath of Office didn’t suddenly endow you with great intellect or the ability to ignore the voice of the people you are supposed to represent. As I recall, your grade point average in school wasn’t that hot anyway.

A lot of people who know better have been telling you to cool your heels on this Iraq thing, to slow down and let all the cards fall into place before sending young men and women into harm’s way. Hell, even your father has stayed quiet on the issue but those who know him say he’s not all that happy with your cowboy attitude.

I’d listen to daddy, George. He used to run the CIA and he has something you don’t – an election to President where he actually won both the popular and electoral vote.

And that Oath of Office also promised to uphold the Constitution. You know, the one you have left in the hands of John Ashcroft, the attorney general who never saw a wiretap he didn’t like, and Tom Ridge, the man whose Department of Homeland Security wants to lock ‘em all up and let God sort it out?

And while you’re so preoccupied with getting Saddam Hussein and turning America into a police state, what are you doing about North Korea and its nuclear weapons program?

Talking? Just talking? They are close to having the capability to deliver nukes to the West Coast and all you want to do there is talk? Why do you have such a pair of big brass balls when it comes to Iraq, which hasn’t developed nukes (but probably will one day) but turn into a wimp when it comes to be much more pressing threat from North Korea?

Doesn’t make sense, but then a lot of things that are happening at your end of the National Mall don’t make sense.

Saddam Hussein may not be the only madman who threatens a place called America.


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To: iamnotaradical
"True, the majority of the American people do support a war on Iraq WITH A UN RESOLUTION."

You've got to be a paid shill for the Democraps. People where I live don't give a tinker's damn about the United Nations, a group of thugs and tyrants and baby rapers.
41 posted on 02/21/2003 8:19:20 PM PST by JoJo Gunn (Help control the Leftist population. Have them spayed or neutered....)
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To: iamnotaradical
Dear Not A Radical:

Allow me to offer what I believe is a rational response to this article.

First and foremost, there are numerous Congressional Research Service and unclassified Defense Department Reports detailing the risks Saddam poses if he remains in power. May I direct your attention to this link, at a relatively liberal web-page (The Federation of American Scientists) for a copy of just one report.

We also know the following facts: he has used chemical/biological weapons against his own people, he invaded another country (Kuwait) in a blatant attempt to seize control of their natural resources, and has directed humanitarian aid away from his starving people and towards the building of grand palaces for himself and his flunkies. He has continued to fire on planes patrolling the no-fly zone.

If you dig through any of the CRS reports on China, you will find that he has been caught purchasing dual-use technology from China (in violation of a number of nuclear non-proliferation treaties) in the hopes of securing his own nuclear weapons.

All of the above are violations of 16 previous United Nations Resolutions, several of which already authorize the "use of force" in retaliation.

Here are several additional salient points, enumerated in this article, along with sources that you can read for yourself:

"First and foremost, as I have already shown, President Bush was not the one who changed our nuclear first-strike policy: President Clinton did. In November of 1997, President Clinton signed Presidential Decision Directive 60, which allowed the United States to “consider using nuclear weapons against attackers who hit American forces with chemical or biological weapons. “ It was made to address the “worrisome possibility that nations such as Iraq might turn chemical or biological arsenals against U.S. troops.” If one were to listen to the mainstream media and Democrat party, however, this little nugget of truth would not be shared.

"Second, we do not need an official declaration of war to begin a military campaign with Iraq. Congress already authorized the use of force in our first entanglement with Iraq under President H.W. Bush; the conditions set forth under the cease-fire still exist. United Nations Resolution 678 and 687, both written under Chapter VII of the United Nations Charter, allow the “use of military action” to enforce them. These two resolutions allow Britain and the United States to enforce no-fly zones to protect Kuwait and surrounding countries. In these no-fly zones, our military men and women have come under repeated attacks by Iraqi ground forces using surface to air weapons. During the first few years of inspections, the United Nations recognized these attacks as provocation deserving a military response; however, once inspections began to break down, the United Nations no longer acknowledged the attacks, realizing it would give just cause to the United States for a military assault. Nevertheless, the attacks continue to this day. Whether the United Nations chooses to officially recognize them or not, we have endured enough provocation to warrant a military response.

"Further, on March 2, 1998, the United Nations passed Resolution 1154, demanding Iraq compliance and warning that failure to comply would result in the “severest consequences for Iraq.” May I direct your attention to Operation Desert Fox, the poorly named military campaign begun under President Clinton in December of 1998, against Iraq? What did President Clinton use to justify that fruitless engagement? Resolution 1154, of course.

"At that time, there was no hue and cry from Democrats in Congress. They supported President Clinton throughout his ineffectual three days of bombing. The general sentiment was not doubt and hesitation, but action and righteousness. Why all the hand-wringing now? Who knows, but back in 1998, when Congress passed the “Iraq Liberation Act of 1998” and President Clinton signed it, everyone saw the wisdom of removing Saddam as soon as possible. After listing 11 brutal grievances against Saddam Hussein, including the butchering of 180,000 people, Congress advised, “it should be the policy of the United States to support efforts to remove the regime headed by Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq and to promote the emergence of a democratic government to replace that regime.”

"Isn’t that fascinating? When President Bush says the same thing, certain individuals who shall remain nameless suddenly begin expectorating in fury and gasping in horror.

"Anthony Sivers, in his 1998 editorial in the Washington Times entitled “Just Cause on Iraq,” offered this insightful commentary: “Just Cause: The first just cause is the anticipatory self-defense of the international community from the threat of use entailed in Saddam Hussein's possession of weapons of mass destruction (WMD) (U.N. Security Council Res. 687). His use of poison gas in aggressive wars, torture and mass murder are sufficient evidence for probable cause assumption of malice aforethought on his part, given opportunity, with any WMD capabilities possessed. Inaction to forestall such opportunity would be morally irresponsible.”

"But if President Bush wants to really get nasty, he can remind the Democrats in Congress, those self-same Democrats who are screaming about “the process” now, how they fell into lock-step support when President Clinton, without an official declaration of war or the blessings of the United Nations, launched a full-scale military assault against Serbia. He committed troops without the consultation of congressional Republicans and before any military spending has been approved. Congress never gave Clinton any authorization for it, other than to timidly offer appropriations after our troops were on the ground; in fact, it violated Public Law 105-262 (HR4103, section 8106a).

"So tell me again, Senator Daschle, Congressman Lee, why we saw fit to bomb the bejeesus out of a former ally, whose internal wrangling resulted in approximately 1,500 deaths (on both sides!) over a 5 year period, and marked their leader as Hilter’s clone, but experience great trepidation over tackling a man who has killed 180,000 people, invaded neighboring countries, thwarted numerous United Nations resolutions and nuclear non-proliferation treaties, and harbored terrorists?...

1 Associated Press, “Report outlines conditions for nuclear first strike,” Diamond, John, December 8, 1997.

2 Ibid.

3 Congressional Research Service Issues Brief #92-117, “Iraq: Compliance, Sanctions, and U.S. Policy,” Katzman, Kenneth, Foreign Affairs, Defense, and Trade Division, Rev. September 6, 2002.

4 United Nations, Security Council Resolution 1154 on the Situation Between Iraq and Kuwait, March 2, 1998.

5 H.R. 4655, “Iraq Liberation Act of 1998”

6 The Washington Times, “Just Cause on Iraq,” Sivers, Anthony, November 25, 1998.

7 Department of Defense Appropriations Bill for Fiscal Year 1999, Public Law 105-262.

42 posted on 02/21/2003 8:20:40 PM PST by TheWriterInTexas (God's Grace Shine Upon You)
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To: TheWriterInTexas
iamnotaradical signed up 2003-02-22.
43 posted on 02/21/2003 8:21:49 PM PST by JoJo Gunn (Help control the Leftist population. Have them spayed or neutered....)
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To: iamnotaradical
True, the majority of the American people do support a war on Iraq WITH A UN RESOLUTION. I don't know what the up to date figures are on war without the resolution, but they are very near the 50% mark, and with margin of error, it could be anything.

That's about right.

I'm not sure I understand what your point is, however.

In the days after Pearl Harbor a majority of Americans still opposed war with Germany.

In the days before the Gulf War public opinion was divided on launching a war.

Public opinion is fickle - but it always rallies around the president when the bullets start flying.

That will be especially true once the liberation is consumated and the horror stories of Saddam's regime start unfolding.

The only reason we're bothering with a Security Council vote is to help out Blair domestically.

I'd almost just as soon we didn't. I have no desire to continue supporting the fantasy that the UN retains even a shred of moral or political credibility.

44 posted on 02/21/2003 8:23:11 PM PST by The Iguana
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To: The Duke
I'm a "rabid" conservative, but I'm not at all in tune with this targeting of Iraq under these circumstances

What "circumstances"?

45 posted on 02/21/2003 8:25:06 PM PST by Texasforever
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To: iamnotaradical
First off, I am a liberal

That's as far as I go

46 posted on 02/21/2003 8:26:34 PM PST by paul51
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To: LiberalBuster
"The point is that real leaders LEAD. It takes gutless wonders like Clinton to follow "public opinion" rather than do what they believe is Right. "

Especially when it's very likely that the public doesn't have all the facts. I have no doubt they know more than we do about it, which is why I trust their opinion on the matter.
47 posted on 02/21/2003 8:29:26 PM PST by honeygrl
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To: The Duke
P.S. When Republicans start offering Democrat-style ideological arguments against a proposal, it's a pretty good tip-off that the proposal is a good one. And when they stupidly call our POTUS a "madman," I become even more convinced that our POTUS is right. When the French and the UN start scoffing at him, it's practically a sure bet.

(All kidding aside, I say you need to re-think the whole matter of the looming war with Iraq. I believe the matter is immeasurably more serious than you have even dared to believe. I urge you to think deeper.)

48 posted on 02/21/2003 8:37:01 PM PST by the_doc
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To: Texasforever
I'm a "rabid" conservative, but I'm not at all in tune with this targeting of Iraq under these circumstances.

What "circumstances"?

It's being done by a Republican named Bush.

49 posted on 02/21/2003 8:37:22 PM PST by Keeper of the Turf (Fore!!!)
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To: Spidey
"And while you’re so preoccupied with getting Saddam Hussein and turning America into a police state, what are you doing about North Korea and its nuclear weapons program? "

He will get to N.Korea, as soon as he finishes off Saddam. Then you will be bitchin about that.

50 posted on 02/21/2003 8:37:59 PM PST by auggy
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To: Spidey
The majority of Americans? The majority of Americans? We're only hearing from those who have the least to say! There's a lot more than them out there who stand behind our President and WILL SEE SADAAM GO DOWN if we go to war!!! God bless George W. Bush and long live the United States of America! PERIOD!!!!
51 posted on 02/21/2003 8:40:28 PM PST by cubreporter
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To: JoJo Gunn
iamnotaradical signed up 2003-02-22

Signed up tommorrow.

52 posted on 02/21/2003 8:47:09 PM PST by paul51
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To: Texasforever
Now that we are finished attacking Spidey, there are only two things left to discuss:


53 posted on 02/21/2003 8:47:15 PM PST by e_engineer
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To: iamnotaradical; auggy
What's with you people that can't read?

I didn't write that stupid drivel! I posted it here because I'm amazed that Doug Thompson wrote it. I guess his board has changed a lot in the last year or so.

Everyone else, sorry about missing the BARF ALERT! I'll do better next time.

The article isn't logical which indicates it was written by a liberal, someone full of hate, or under the influence. Maybe all three.
54 posted on 02/21/2003 8:47:47 PM PST by Spidey
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To: e_engineer
Be series. You forgot about the sister in the shower
55 posted on 02/21/2003 8:48:44 PM PST by paul51
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To: paul51
But is the sister hugh?
56 posted on 02/21/2003 8:51:12 PM PST by 11B3 (Declare War - Then Prosecute The Liberals for Treason.)
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To: 11B3
I guess she will be tommorrow
57 posted on 02/21/2003 8:54:25 PM PST by paul51
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To: TheWriterInTexas
Very nice post WriterInTexas. Answer me this though, and I mean this honestly because I have yet to hear a good answer and am open minded to one. Our enemy is Islamic fundamentalism, which breeds primarily in Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and Iran. Iraq is a secular state in a sea of Islamic fundamentalism and only showed any interest in furthering that cause after our sanctions were imposed. Would it not be in our best interests to open normal trade and political relations with Iraq, even to the point of developing strategic alliance with it, so long as it remains a secular state?

As to the fact Saddam is a dictator, we have and do support dictators around the world throughout the twentieth century. Many of these alliances have been very fruitfull. After all, if Stalin had not kept the majority of Hitler's ground troups busy, the invasion of Normandy could never have occurred. In short, the enemy of my enemy is my friend, and no one can doubt that Iraq fought a long and arduous war against Iran for the very fact the latter country was fundamentalist. I just don't see where this attack fits in with the war on terrorism.

I started out doubting Bush's abilities, then thinking he was great, but now thinking he is side-tracked. Straighten me out because I would love to support this war.

58 posted on 02/21/2003 9:01:20 PM PST by stryker
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To: AlaninSA
I agree that we need to take out Iraq. Besided North Korea has only stepped up it's rhetoric since war with Iraq started to come into fruition.

I still say that The Onion article entitled, "N. Korea Wondering What It Has To Do To Attract U.S. Military Intervention" is dead on.

59 posted on 02/21/2003 9:05:20 PM PST by WellsFargo94
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To: Spidey
I thought so too ... this guy is a muckraker type ... here is a more conservative-friendly "rant" ragging ont he Dems for their whiny self-indulgent behavior ...

http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_1215.shtml

His rant about Bush just strings together some 'warmonger' stereotypes, that are simply WRONG. We waited 12 years of sanctions, and 12 months of jawboning on Iraq, along with 12 weeks of inspections. ... but you only need to study Iraq history for 21 minutes to know that the ONLY way Iraq will get disarmed is through FORCE. That is not 'warmongering' it is realism.

Bush has been firm but patient.
60 posted on 02/21/2003 9:21:05 PM PST by WOSG
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