Posted on 02/21/2003 6:25:53 PM PST by Spidey
Allow me to offer what I believe is a rational response to this article.
First and foremost, there are numerous Congressional Research Service and unclassified Defense Department Reports detailing the risks Saddam poses if he remains in power. May I direct your attention to this link, at a relatively liberal web-page (The Federation of American Scientists) for a copy of just one report.
We also know the following facts: he has used chemical/biological weapons against his own people, he invaded another country (Kuwait) in a blatant attempt to seize control of their natural resources, and has directed humanitarian aid away from his starving people and towards the building of grand palaces for himself and his flunkies. He has continued to fire on planes patrolling the no-fly zone.
If you dig through any of the CRS reports on China, you will find that he has been caught purchasing dual-use technology from China (in violation of a number of nuclear non-proliferation treaties) in the hopes of securing his own nuclear weapons.
All of the above are violations of 16 previous United Nations Resolutions, several of which already authorize the "use of force" in retaliation.
Here are several additional salient points, enumerated in this article, along with sources that you can read for yourself:
"First and foremost, as I have already shown, President Bush was not the one who changed our nuclear first-strike policy: President Clinton did. In November of 1997, President Clinton signed Presidential Decision Directive 60, which allowed the United States to consider using nuclear weapons against attackers who hit American forces with chemical or biological weapons. It was made to address the worrisome possibility that nations such as Iraq might turn chemical or biological arsenals against U.S. troops. If one were to listen to the mainstream media and Democrat party, however, this little nugget of truth would not be shared.
"Second, we do not need an official declaration of war to begin a military campaign with Iraq. Congress already authorized the use of force in our first entanglement with Iraq under President H.W. Bush; the conditions set forth under the cease-fire still exist. United Nations Resolution 678 and 687, both written under Chapter VII of the United Nations Charter, allow the use of military action to enforce them. These two resolutions allow Britain and the United States to enforce no-fly zones to protect Kuwait and surrounding countries. In these no-fly zones, our military men and women have come under repeated attacks by Iraqi ground forces using surface to air weapons. During the first few years of inspections, the United Nations recognized these attacks as provocation deserving a military response; however, once inspections began to break down, the United Nations no longer acknowledged the attacks, realizing it would give just cause to the United States for a military assault. Nevertheless, the attacks continue to this day. Whether the United Nations chooses to officially recognize them or not, we have endured enough provocation to warrant a military response.
"Further, on March 2, 1998, the United Nations passed Resolution 1154, demanding Iraq compliance and warning that failure to comply would result in the severest consequences for Iraq. May I direct your attention to Operation Desert Fox, the poorly named military campaign begun under President Clinton in December of 1998, against Iraq? What did President Clinton use to justify that fruitless engagement? Resolution 1154, of course.
"At that time, there was no hue and cry from Democrats in Congress. They supported President Clinton throughout his ineffectual three days of bombing. The general sentiment was not doubt and hesitation, but action and righteousness. Why all the hand-wringing now? Who knows, but back in 1998, when Congress passed the Iraq Liberation Act of 1998 and President Clinton signed it, everyone saw the wisdom of removing Saddam as soon as possible. After listing 11 brutal grievances against Saddam Hussein, including the butchering of 180,000 people, Congress advised, it should be the policy of the United States to support efforts to remove the regime headed by Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq and to promote the emergence of a democratic government to replace that regime.
"Isnt that fascinating? When President Bush says the same thing, certain individuals who shall remain nameless suddenly begin expectorating in fury and gasping in horror.
"Anthony Sivers, in his 1998 editorial in the Washington Times entitled Just Cause on Iraq, offered this insightful commentary: Just Cause: The first just cause is the anticipatory self-defense of the international community from the threat of use entailed in Saddam Hussein's possession of weapons of mass destruction (WMD) (U.N. Security Council Res. 687). His use of poison gas in aggressive wars, torture and mass murder are sufficient evidence for probable cause assumption of malice aforethought on his part, given opportunity, with any WMD capabilities possessed. Inaction to forestall such opportunity would be morally irresponsible.
"But if President Bush wants to really get nasty, he can remind the Democrats in Congress, those self-same Democrats who are screaming about the process now, how they fell into lock-step support when President Clinton, without an official declaration of war or the blessings of the United Nations, launched a full-scale military assault against Serbia. He committed troops without the consultation of congressional Republicans and before any military spending has been approved. Congress never gave Clinton any authorization for it, other than to timidly offer appropriations after our troops were on the ground; in fact, it violated Public Law 105-262 (HR4103, section 8106a).
"So tell me again, Senator Daschle, Congressman Lee, why we saw fit to bomb the bejeesus out of a former ally, whose internal wrangling resulted in approximately 1,500 deaths (on both sides!) over a 5 year period, and marked their leader as Hilters clone, but experience great trepidation over tackling a man who has killed 180,000 people, invaded neighboring countries, thwarted numerous United Nations resolutions and nuclear non-proliferation treaties, and harbored terrorists?...
1 Associated Press, Report outlines conditions for nuclear first strike, Diamond, John, December 8, 1997.
2 Ibid.
3 Congressional Research Service Issues Brief #92-117, Iraq: Compliance, Sanctions, and U.S. Policy, Katzman, Kenneth, Foreign Affairs, Defense, and Trade Division, Rev. September 6, 2002.
4 United Nations, Security Council Resolution 1154 on the Situation Between Iraq and Kuwait, March 2, 1998.
5 H.R. 4655, Iraq Liberation Act of 1998
6 The Washington Times, Just Cause on Iraq, Sivers, Anthony, November 25, 1998.
7 Department of Defense Appropriations Bill for Fiscal Year 1999, Public Law 105-262.
That's about right.
I'm not sure I understand what your point is, however.
In the days after Pearl Harbor a majority of Americans still opposed war with Germany.
In the days before the Gulf War public opinion was divided on launching a war.
Public opinion is fickle - but it always rallies around the president when the bullets start flying.
That will be especially true once the liberation is consumated and the horror stories of Saddam's regime start unfolding.
The only reason we're bothering with a Security Council vote is to help out Blair domestically.
I'd almost just as soon we didn't. I have no desire to continue supporting the fantasy that the UN retains even a shred of moral or political credibility.
What "circumstances"?
That's as far as I go
(All kidding aside, I say you need to re-think the whole matter of the looming war with Iraq. I believe the matter is immeasurably more serious than you have even dared to believe. I urge you to think deeper.)
What "circumstances"?
It's being done by a Republican named Bush.
He will get to N.Korea, as soon as he finishes off Saddam. Then you will be bitchin about that.
Signed up tommorrow.
As to the fact Saddam is a dictator, we have and do support dictators around the world throughout the twentieth century. Many of these alliances have been very fruitfull. After all, if Stalin had not kept the majority of Hitler's ground troups busy, the invasion of Normandy could never have occurred. In short, the enemy of my enemy is my friend, and no one can doubt that Iraq fought a long and arduous war against Iran for the very fact the latter country was fundamentalist. I just don't see where this attack fits in with the war on terrorism.
I started out doubting Bush's abilities, then thinking he was great, but now thinking he is side-tracked. Straighten me out because I would love to support this war.
I still say that The Onion article entitled, "N. Korea Wondering What It Has To Do To Attract U.S. Military Intervention" is dead on.
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