"Hast du gesehen in deine Leben?"
Posted on 02/21/2003 1:42:37 PM PST by vannrox
In explaining this connection Beverly Baker Northup is quoted as saying:
"The story has been kept alive among our Cherokee people that the Sicarii who escaped from Masada, are some of our ancestors who managed to cross the water to this land, and later became known as Cherokees. (Please note the phonetic resemblance of Si'cari'i and, Cherokee or Tsa'ra-gi'.)"
Northup claims that the famous scholar Josephus wrote that there were escapees from Masada in which the spokesperson for the Northern Cherokee states that this is evidence that gives credence to this connection between the Cherokee Indians and the Jews.
In addition to other startling claims, there is also the belief by the Northern Cherokee that a rock that was uncovered in Tennessee in 1889 that is named the Bat Creek Stone, proves a transatlantic connection to Jews.
Northup believes that the scratched writings on the rock indicate that the stone is evidence of a first century Atlantic Crossing to America by these escaped Jews that later became known as the Northern Cherokee Indians.
The Northern Cherokee attempted to gain full legislative recognition in the State of Missouri in 1985 that was eventually vetoed by Governor John Ashcroft. Governor Ashcroft made the following statement concerning his decision to veto the recognition of the Northern Cherokee:
"The Federal Government has traditionally exercised authority with respect to Indian Affairs. I am not persuaded that the state has such a substantial interest in this area that it should become involved in the recognition of Indian tribes."
Sources among some federally recognized Indian Tribes have stated that Mr. Ashcroft's comments were 100% correct and should be referred to from time to time.
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"Hast du gesehen in deine Leben?"
It seems evident that there are quite alot of people on these threads that need to just quit typing, go outside, and meet someone to talk to. Maybe Bar-B-Q, maybe drink some, play some hacky-sack, and get a life of thier own.
No doubt people hereon do.
But were you referring to me or someone else? LOL.
I wonder what the DNA studies with Nat Geo are showing on the above score.
The heasdress, with a minor misspelling said "Kosher for Passover"!
Haven't you heard of the Sosumis?
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Let's just say the facts get in the way of a good story. There's no connection between Native Americans and Jews, except in certain areas settled heavily by Anusim (Sephardic Jews who pretended to convert to Christianity, but secretly maintained Jewish traditions). For example, certain parts of the American Southwest, Mexico, Brazil and other areas -- but the DNA dates to the Anusim, who came with the Spanish, and then intermarried with Indian tribes (who were a lot friendlier to them then the Spanish). Not to far-fetched nonsense about "lost tribes" from the Assyrian conquest in 800 b.c.e., or the Roman conquest in 70 c.e.
This claim is particularly far-fetched: Josephus gives a pretty clear account of what happened at Masada. The few Jews who survived were taken as slaves by the Romans. They didn't escape, build a boat, and manage to beat Columbus by 1400 years (all while having little naval expertise).
If you want to look for "lost tribes," a much more credible candidate would be the Kurds. On the Y-chromosome, the Kurds are almost genetically identical to Jews. And they happen in inhabit the exact region that the Israelities were deported to by the Assyrians.
The second scratching possibly resembles the Hebrew letter Aleph, and the two letters on the end possibly resemble Hebrew lettering Of the two, it is intriguing that the letter it resembles would be the form used on the end of a word (Hebrew reading from right to left). However, spaces weren’t added to the Hebrew language until long after the events ad Masada which makes them suspect. One might also argue that the first letter on the left resembles a malformed Dalet, but none of the other letters resemble Hebrew letters of any time period (at least not without some stretching).
It should also be noted that by the time of the events of Masada, most Jews spoke Aramaic, not Hebrew, though it would not have been unheard of for some to understand it.
I’m half Native I am of Mexicatl (Aztec) Apache and Chichimeca decent I have heard Jewish people try and say that ALL Native Peoples of the Americas are from the ten lost tribes Aparently native Mexican’s are from the Issachar to be perfectly honest ithink this is all BS i know NOTHING of this and i know ALOT about my peoples history and culture not once have i heard of such rediculous claims not by MY people anyway. There’s nothing worse than some ignorant fool trying to tell me what MY peoples history and culture is and where we are from i think i know more about MY own people. Where is all this comming from? if anyone has Logical explanations i would love to hear them and some factual proof might be nice.
I am Cherokee. We were never taught that we are from Israel. It has been passed down however, the visitation to us by Jesus Christ. I think Joseph Smith must have come up with the idea that we then need to be Jewish. The Azetecs also were expecting a White God to come by ship across the ocean when Cortes showed up. Their history told of a white skinned man who had come by ship and helped them develop skills like astronomy, before leaving on a ship and promising to come back. There was definitely ocean travel going on by that time. But our stories of Jesus are identical to those told by the Mormons, so my guess is they took this and added to it. I’d also like to point out that DNA testing has proven that we are not connected to the Melungeons either. There is some evidence we may come from Asia, following land connections that no longer exist while fishing.
and it's one of *those* topics:
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