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The Second Amendment Doesn't Mean What it Says (Mass ACLU Barf-a-rama)
Massachusetts ACLU Loonies ^ | Mass ACLU

Posted on 02/19/2003 2:17:30 PM PST by Skooz

2nd Amendment

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed."

Have you ever heard someone say gun control is a fine idea— except that the Second Amendment prohibits it?

It’s a popular sentiment. Fortunately, it’s not true.

The Second Amendment was never intended as a gun license for the entire American populace. As originally drafted—and as consistently interpreted by the courts for more than a century—the Amendment does not grant any blanket right to own a gun nor does it stand in the way of rational, effective gun control.

The idea of gun ownership as an American birthright is nothing more than a popular myth. Yet the controversy over gun control and the Second Amendment rages on.

As the nation’s oldest and most prominent defender of individual rights, the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) holds the U.S. Constitution and its Bill of Rights in the highest regard. To clear up many misconceptions, what follows are some basic questions and answers about the Second Amendment and gun control.

Q The Second Amendment says "the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." Doesn’t it mean just that?

A There is more to the Second Amendment than just the last 14 words. Most of the debate on the Amendment has focused on its final phrase and entirely ignores the first phrase: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State . . ." And to dissect the Amendment is to destroy its context. While some scholars have suggested that the Amendment gives individuals the constitutional right to bear arms, still others have argued for discarding the Amendment as irrelevant and out of date. However, the vast majority of constitutional experts agree that the right to keep and bear arms was intended to apply only to members of state-run, citizen militias.

Q If it doesn’t guarantee the right to own a gun, why was the Second Amendment included in the Bill of Rights?

A When James Madison  proposed the Bill of Rights in the late 1780s, people were still suspicious of any centralized federal government. Just 10 years earlier, the British army been an occupying force in Colonial America—enforcing arbitrary laws decreed from afar. After the Revolutionary War, the states insisted on the constitutional right to defend themselves in case the fledgling U.S. government became tyrannical like the British Crown. The states demanded the right to keep an armed "militia" a form of insurance.

Q What exactly is "a well regulated militia?"

A Militias in 1792 consisted of part-time citizen-soldiers organized by individual states. Its members were civilians who kept arms, ammunition and other military equipment in their houses and barns—there was no other way to muster a militia with sufficient speed. Over time, however, the state militias failed to develop as originally anticipated. States found it difficult to organize and finance their militias and, by the mid-1800s, they had effectively ceased to exist. Beginning in 1903, Congress began to pass legislation that would eventually transform state militias into what is now the National Guard. Today, the National Guard—and Army Reserve—are scarcely recognizable as descendants of militias of the 1790s. The National Guard and Reserve forces, in fact, do not permit personnel to store military weapons at home. And many of today’s weapons—tanks, armored personnel carriers, airplanes and the like—hardly lend themselves to use by individuals.

Q Does the Second Amendment in any way guarantee gun rights to individuals?

A No. The weight of historical and legal scholarship clearly shows that the Second Amendment was intended to guarantee that states could maintain armed forces to resist the federal government. Most scholars overwhelmingly concur that the Second Amendment was never intended to guarantee gun ownership rights for individual personal use. Small arms ownership was common when the Bill of Rights was adopted, with many people owning single-shot firearms for hunting in what was then an overwhelmingly rural nation.

Q Does the Second Amendment authorize Americans to possess and own any firearms they feel they may need?

A Clearly, no. The original intent of the Second Amendment was to protect the right of states to maintain state militias. Private gun ownership that is not necessary to the maintenance of militia is not protected by the Second Amendment.

Q Does the Second Amendment allow government to limit—even prohibit—ownership of guns by individuals?

A Yes. Federal, state and local governments can all regulate guns without violating the Second Amendment. State authorities have considerable powers to regulate guns. The federal government can also regulate firearm ownership, although some scholars believe that the federal power may not be as extensive as that of an individual state. California, for example, has limited the ability of local governments to regulate firearms. While the state has kept its broad regulatory power, cities and counties can only prohibit guns from being carried in public places.

Q How have the courts—particularly the U.S. Supreme Court—interpreted the Second Amendment?

A The Supreme Court has flatly held that the individual’s right to keep and bear arms "is not a right granted by the Constitution." In the four cases in which the high court has addressed the issue, it has consistently held that the Second Amendment does not confer a blanket right of individual gun ownership. The most important Supreme Court Second Amendment case, U.S. v. Miller, was decided in 1939. It involved two men who illegally shipped a sawed-off shotgun from Oklahoma to Arkansas, then claimed the Second Amendment prohibited the federal government from prosecuting them. The court emphatically disagreed, ruling that the Second Amendment had the "obvious purpose" of creating state militias, not of authorizing individual gun ownership. In two earlier rulings in 1876 and 1886, the Supreme Court held that the Second Amendment affected only the federal government’s power to regulate gun ownership and had no effect on state gun control powers. Those cases, Presser v. U.S. and U.S. v. Cruikshank, formed the basis for the continuing legal decisions that the Second Amendment is not an impediment to rational gun control. In another case that the Supreme Court declined to review, a federal appeals court in Illinois ruled in 1983 that the Second Amendment could not prevent a municipal government from banning handgun possession. In the case, Quilici v. Village of Morton Grove, the appeals court held that contemporary handguns couldn’t be considered as weapons relevant to a collective militia.

Q The National Rifle Association (NRA) says the Second Amendment guarantees our right to keep and bear arms. Has the NRA got it wrong?

A Like any powerful special interest, the NRA works to secure its financial well being. It insists on a view of the Second Amendment that defies virtually all court decisions and contradicts findings of most legal scholars. In so doing, the NRA actively perpetuates a seemingly endless cycle of gun-related fatalities. The NRA intimidates politicians because it is very well financed and, like any wealthy single-issue special interest, can muster considerable pressure and scare tactics against legislators who oppose it. For decades, the NRA has effectively promulgated its message. Other voices have recently begun to be heard, however, including the public health community, civil rights and civil liberties organizations and groups committed to women’s, children’s and family rights. The NRA implies that the Bill of Rights forces us to accept unlimited gun ownership and tolerate the human tragedies that guns cause in our society. That simply isn’t true.

Q What are the Second Amendment positions of the American Civil Liberties Union and the ACLU of Massachusetts?

A For decades, both the national ACLU and its  Massachsetts affiliates have agreed the Second Amendment guarantees only the rights of states to maintain militias. The national ACLU has urged caution over gun control laws that, though well intended, might infringe on other civil liberties. The ACLU of Massachusetts believes effective gun control—especially of handguns and assault weapons—is essential to curbing the escalating violence in our society


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KEYWORDS: aclu; banglist; communists; guncontrol; gunhaters; secondamendment
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Typical lefty ACLU rant, I suppose. I find it curious that on the Mass. ACLU web page devoted to the Bill of Rights, the Second Amendment is the only Amendment hyperlinked to a page in which the loonies attempt to tell us what to think about the subject.
1 posted on 02/19/2003 2:17:30 PM PST by Skooz
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To: Skooz
I'm surprised the ACLU are willing to discount the teeth in their precious BOR.
2 posted on 02/19/2003 2:19:12 PM PST by cruiserman
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To: Skooz
However, the vast majority of constitutional experts agree that the right to keep and bear arms was intended to apply only to members of state-run, citizen militias.

A typical ACLU lie. The "state-run" part, that is. Notice how they slipped that in.

3 posted on 02/19/2003 2:22:10 PM PST by dark_lord
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To: Skooz
the Amendment does not grant any blanket right to own a gun nor does it stand in the way of rational, effective gun control.

The first part of that statement is absolutely correct. The Second Amendment does not grant anything. Sadly, the last part has been found to be true also. So far, the Second Amendment has not stopped any of the 20,000 plus unconstitutional gun laws from being passed into law and enforced vigorously.

4 posted on 02/19/2003 2:22:26 PM PST by Double Tap
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To: *bang_list
"How strangely will the Tools of a Tyrant pervert the plain Meaning of Words!" -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803), letter to John Pitts, January 21, 1776


5 posted on 02/19/2003 2:24:25 PM PST by Joe Brower (http://www.joebrower.com/)
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To: Joe Brower
That one just made my ever-expanding list of "Excellent Quotes."
6 posted on 02/19/2003 2:25:11 PM PST by Skooz (Tagline removed by moderator)
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A For decades, both the national ACLU and its Massachsetts affiliates have agreed the Second Amendment guarantees only the rights of states to maintain militias.

Which is rather bizarre, considering that the 2nd A is surrounded by amendments that infer INDIVIDUAL rights. So we have the 1st, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, and 9th which deal with individual rights, the rights of states are not mentioned until the 10th, but the 2nd somehow sticks out like a sore thumb among all those other individual rights? And, even if we take the arguments of the ACLU, that the National Guard took the place of state militias, the feds have basically federalized the National Guard, so it no longer serves the role the ACLU is claiming for it.

This is just so easy to demolish. The problem is, the lefties just don't care that their arguments don't make sense.

7 posted on 02/19/2003 2:25:47 PM PST by dirtboy
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To: Skooz
As the nation’s oldest and most prominent defender of individual rights, the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) holds the U.S. Constitution and its Bill of Rights in the highest regard.

First of all, the nation's oldest and largest defender of individual civil rights is the NRA.

Second of all, the ACLU has never embraced either the second or the tenth amendments, making them an extremely hypocritical defender of the rest.

8 posted on 02/19/2003 2:26:20 PM PST by dead
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To: Skooz
in the late 1780s, people were still suspicious of any centralized federal government.

In the early 2000s, people were STILL suspicious of any
centralized federal government.

Yes, we have seen how the ACLU holds the constitution in regard.

In the early 2000s the people realized the truth about the
ACLU.
9 posted on 02/19/2003 2:26:22 PM PST by tet68 (Jeremiah 51:24 ..."..Before your eyes I will repay Babylon for all the wrong they have done in Zion")
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To: Skooz
To understand the ACLU, you need to understand their mission. It has always been to undermine some of the fundamental values of the American people in the guise of promoting "Liberty," the most fundamental value of the American people. It was set up by Socialists, operating in the Fabian manner, and it has never deviated from that purpose--although as a Fabian vehicle, it does sometimes, come down on the right side in a case involving individual rights as a way of covering its tracks and appealing to the gullible. (See Leftwing Word Games & Religious Freedom.)

William Flax

10 posted on 02/19/2003 2:26:49 PM PST by Ohioan
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To: Skooz
A bucket of horse feces.

This should have been posted under humor.

11 posted on 02/19/2003 2:28:32 PM PST by ServesURight (FReecerely Yours,)
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To: Skooz
"These phrases," right of the people peaceably to assemble," "right of the people to be secure in their homes," "enumeration's herein of certain rights shall not be construed to disparage others retained by the people," and "The powers not delegated herein are reserved to the states respectively, and to the people," all refer to individuals, but "the right of the people to keep and bear arms" refers to the state."

One of the better reasons taken from 40 Reasons to Support Gun Control, an toungue-in-cheek internet document that is occasionally posted here on FR

12 posted on 02/19/2003 2:29:35 PM PST by Sangamon Kid
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To: dark_lord
the vast majority of constitutional experts agree ...

Whatcha' bet that the ACLU only considers someone a "constitutional expert" if he agrees with them.

13 posted on 02/19/2003 2:29:54 PM PST by Skooz (Tagline removed by moderator)
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To: Skooz
The Second Amendment has almost nothing to do with the individual state's rights to have militias, and almost everything to do with the right to bear arms expressed in the British Bill of Right in 1689, a right clearly seen to be founded in the necessity of citizens being able to resist, and defeat, a tyrant.

The ACLU is dissembling, and they know it.

What's wrong with them?!? Useful Idiots.
14 posted on 02/19/2003 2:31:22 PM PST by headsonpikes
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To: Skooz
What a bunch of crap! You have the ACLU arguing that the amendments in the Bill of Rights are individual rights, like unfettered free speech, yet they argue that the 2nd Amendment allows for strict regulation? This is not defending civil liberties, but a cheap attempt to shape the country into their vision of a socialist nation.
15 posted on 02/19/2003 2:31:50 PM PST by KC_Conspirator
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To: Skooz
Let me see if I understand the ACLU here:

  1. "The people" in the First Amendment means the people;
  2. "The people" in the Fourth Amendment means the people;
  3. "The people" in the Ninth Amendment means, the people;
  4. ...but "the people" in the Second Amendment (ratified in 1791) means the federally-controlled National Guard (which was created by an Act of Congress in 1917).

My God, the ACLU is must think we are idiots.

-Jay

16 posted on 02/19/2003 2:32:08 PM PST by Jay D. Dyson (I have no sense of diplomacy. I consider that a character asset.)
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To: Skooz
Actually, the point to keep in mind here is that the Second Amendment, as documented accurately here by the ACLU, means exactly what the Supreme Court says it does. Thus, the assertions given in here by the ACLU are correct in so far as they are consistent with SCOTUS decisions. You may believe that gun control laws are unconstitutional, but they will not be unconstitutional unless and until the Supreme Court rules them as such. And it so far has been quite consistent in ruling them as legal.
17 posted on 02/19/2003 2:32:58 PM PST by RonF
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To: Skooz
Why the ACLU is wrong and therefore dangerous: the Bill of RIGHTS applies to individuals, not to the states! Pretty soon, thay'll insist that the First Amendment will only apply to state-run media and state-endorsed propaganda.
18 posted on 02/19/2003 2:35:11 PM PST by BradyLS
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To: Skooz
I expected nothing better for the Anarchists/Communists in League with the Underworld.

The Second Amendment doesn't protect an individual's right to own a gun but the First Amendment protects a person's right to watch men sodomize each other? Which is more harm to the fabric of society?
19 posted on 02/19/2003 2:35:14 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn’t be, in its eyes, a slave)
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To: Skooz
Interesting on how the ACLU advocates the doctrine of original intent for the 2nd. Amendment and not the others.
20 posted on 02/19/2003 2:38:09 PM PST by xkaydet65
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