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President Lincoln and Habeas Corpus (Remarks by Justice O'Connor)
Gettysburg.edu ^ | 11/19/1996 | Sandra Day O'Connor

Posted on 02/12/2003 12:07:03 PM PST by WhiskeyPapa

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President Lincoln vindicated against the neo-reb liars.
1 posted on 02/12/2003 12:07:03 PM PST by WhiskeyPapa
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To: rdf
bump
2 posted on 02/12/2003 12:08:25 PM PST by WhiskeyPapa (To sin by silence when they should protest makes cowards of men)
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To: WhiskeyPapa
Excellent post, on this, Abe's B'day. Thanks.

Bump for later reference.

3 posted on 02/12/2003 12:16:42 PM PST by My2Cents ("...The bombing begins in 5 minutes.")
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To: WhiskeyPapa
Lincoln at Gettysburg


4 posted on 02/12/2003 12:23:12 PM PST by My2Cents ("...The bombing begins in 5 minutes.")
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To: My2Cents

The "rough man" from Illinois in 1860.

Thanks for your comments.

Walt

5 posted on 02/12/2003 12:30:41 PM PST by WhiskeyPapa (To sin by silence when they should protest makes cowards of men)
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To: WhiskeyPapa
bump to read later....
6 posted on 02/12/2003 12:33:36 PM PST by firewalk
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To: WhiskeyPapa
From Lincoln's Second Inaugural address, which many historians have called the greates speech ever given in America:

"...If we shall suppose that American slavery is one of those offenses which, in the providence of God, must needs come, but which, having continued through His appointed time, He now wills to remove, and that He gives to both North and South this terrible war as the woe due to those by whom the offense came, shall we discern therein any departure from those divine attributes which the believers in a living God always ascribe to Him? Fondly do we hope, fervently do we pray, that this mighty scourge of war may speedily pass away. Yet, if God wills that it continue until all the wealth piled by the bondsman's two hundred and fifty years of unrequited toil shall be sunk, and until every drop of blood drawn with the lash shall be paid by another drawn with the sword, as was said three thousand years ago, so still it must be said 'the judgments of the Lord are true and righteous altogether.'

"With malice toward none, with charity for all, with firmness in the right as God gives us to see the right, let us strive on to finish the work we are in, to bind up the nation's wounds, to care for him who shall have borne the battle and for his widow and his orphan, to do all which may achieve and cherish a just and lasting peace among ourselves and with all nations."

7 posted on 02/12/2003 12:37:09 PM PST by My2Cents ("...The bombing begins in 5 minutes.")
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No doubt Sandra Day O'Connor is now on the neo-confederate's lists of "marxists" for daring to claim Lincoln is not evil incarnate.

Most of these "conservative" neo-confederates have shown their true colors and come out in favor of giving the local southern Democrat state politicians UNLIMITED power to do whatever they want, so you tell me who's endorsing biggest government. If they really wanted to condemn Presidents for expanding government, they might consider posting ONE thread exposing what their fellow neo-confederate Woody Wilson. He was 20X worse than Abe but I have never seen one thread "educating" the public about "the real Wilson".

It's been three years and counting since I brought that up and the silence is deafening.

8 posted on 02/12/2003 12:57:58 PM PST by BillyBoy (George Ryan deserves a long term....without parole.)
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To: WhiskeyPapa
Thanks for posting what shouldn't even need saying! Amazing where one finds revisionist history.
9 posted on 02/12/2003 1:33:45 PM PST by Let's Roll (Whether we bring our enemies to justice, or bring justice to our enemies, justice will be done.)
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"Must I shoot a simple-minded boy who deserts, while I must not touch a hair of a wily agitator who induces him to desert?.... I think that, in such a case, to silence the agitator and save the boy is not only constitutional, but withal a great mercy." [...] The President was not out to trample on the First Amendment.

"Silencing the agitator" IS trampling on the First Amendment, Madam Justice O'Connor. Your own watery fidelity to that provision of the Constitution has, however, long been evident already.

Quite apart from this, no discussion is made of the many newspapermen who were arrested for opposing the war, and the other critical voices that were suppressed with "express approval from Washington." (O'Connor glosses over how Lincoln could ever have been reasonably construed as having that power, which went far beyond the issue of habeas corpus.)

Nor is any mention made of how suppressing the riots, over a draft that was never authorized by the Constitution (and intended to be prohibited later by the 13th Amendment), also involved the wrecking of local newspapers and a federalizing of the state militias without sanction of law.

Lincoln trampled constantly on the First Amendment. Let's not sugar-coat it.

10 posted on 02/12/2003 1:58:20 PM PST by Greybird (“We have crossed the boundary that lies between Republic and Empire.” —Garet Garrett, 1952)
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A huge Republican Lincoln BUMP!

Thank you for this post. Just today my anti-cop, anti-Bush, pro-Castro, anti-Ashcroft criminal procedure professor was bitching about Lincoln doing this. She made the comment, "Most everybody will now say that this was a huge mistake my Lincoln." Sometimes I think she and others don't look back at the situation President Lincoln and the Union was facing.

11 posted on 02/12/2003 1:58:34 PM PST by GOPyouth
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To: WhiskeyPapa
Really great post, "WhiskeyPapa". Thank you for taking the time to enlighten an often murkey part of history. As usual, the truth does not complicate, but clarifies an issue.

Regards, Buck ("Charlie November")
12 posted on 02/12/2003 2:05:34 PM PST by elbucko
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Lincoln trampled constantly on the First Amendment.

As opposed to the slave-drivers who would whip their "property" if they spoke ill of the Massuh or tried to gain their freedom.

13 posted on 02/12/2003 2:09:32 PM PST by GOPyouth
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Lincoln trampled constantly on the First Amendment.

As long as he, or anyone else, leaves the Second Amendment alone.

14 posted on 02/12/2003 2:15:52 PM PST by elbucko
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The End justifies the Means, Sandra Day O'Connor says so. And people still hope that the Supreme Court will hand out Justice...sigh..

The fact remains that these united States joined in a voluntary union, and the ultimate defence against centralized tyranny was seccesion. The Confederacy chose to secede, and Lincoln destroyed the voluntary union by tyranically preventing that seccesion. So, thanks to "honest" Abe, we have the federal gov't on our backs today.

15 posted on 02/12/2003 2:15:57 PM PST by IMHO
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The fact remains that these united States joined in a voluntary union, and the ultimate defence against centralized tyranny was seccesion.

Please tell the class what "centralized tyranny" caused South Carolina to seceed in 1860.

16 posted on 02/12/2003 2:28:47 PM PST by Ditto (You are free to form your own opinions, but not your own facts.)
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Nor is any mention made of how suppressing the riots, over a draft that was never authorized by the Constitution (and intended to be prohibited later by the 13th Amendment), also involved the wrecking of local newspapers and a federalizing of the state militias without sanction of law.

That may be a new world record. Three blatant misstatement of Constitutional facts in only one sentence. Congratulations.

17 posted on 02/12/2003 2:32:43 PM PST by Ditto (You are free to form your own opinions, but not your own facts.)
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To: My2Cents
My reflections on the day this year are here.

Lincoln's 2nd Inaugural and the coming War in Iraq

Cheers,

Richard F.

18 posted on 02/12/2003 2:34:45 PM PST by rdf
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To: IMHO
The Confederacy chose to secede

and ATTACK the United States.

19 posted on 02/12/2003 2:45:13 PM PST by GOPyouth
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So, thanks to "honest" Abe, we have the federal gov't on our backs today.

Better that than the whip of the bondsman. It wasn't Lincoln that forced the South to make slaves of men and women whose skins were dark. It wasn't Lincoln that forced secession. It wasn't Lincoln that fired on Fort Sumpter. It wasn't Lincoln that presided over the injustices of Reconstruction. It wasn't Lincoln that fled in a dress.

20 posted on 02/12/2003 2:49:24 PM PST by elbucko
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