Posted on 02/12/2003 12:07:03 PM PST by WhiskeyPapa
Bump for later reference.
The "rough man" from Illinois in 1860.
Thanks for your comments.
Walt
"...If we shall suppose that American slavery is one of those offenses which, in the providence of God, must needs come, but which, having continued through His appointed time, He now wills to remove, and that He gives to both North and South this terrible war as the woe due to those by whom the offense came, shall we discern therein any departure from those divine attributes which the believers in a living God always ascribe to Him? Fondly do we hope, fervently do we pray, that this mighty scourge of war may speedily pass away. Yet, if God wills that it continue until all the wealth piled by the bondsman's two hundred and fifty years of unrequited toil shall be sunk, and until every drop of blood drawn with the lash shall be paid by another drawn with the sword, as was said three thousand years ago, so still it must be said 'the judgments of the Lord are true and righteous altogether.'
"With malice toward none, with charity for all, with firmness in the right as God gives us to see the right, let us strive on to finish the work we are in, to bind up the nation's wounds, to care for him who shall have borne the battle and for his widow and his orphan, to do all which may achieve and cherish a just and lasting peace among ourselves and with all nations."
Most of these "conservative" neo-confederates have shown their true colors and come out in favor of giving the local southern Democrat state politicians UNLIMITED power to do whatever they want, so you tell me who's endorsing biggest government. If they really wanted to condemn Presidents for expanding government, they might consider posting ONE thread exposing what their fellow neo-confederate Woody Wilson. He was 20X worse than Abe but I have never seen one thread "educating" the public about "the real Wilson".
It's been three years and counting since I brought that up and the silence is deafening.
"Silencing the agitator" IS trampling on the First Amendment, Madam Justice O'Connor. Your own watery fidelity to that provision of the Constitution has, however, long been evident already.
Quite apart from this, no discussion is made of the many newspapermen who were arrested for opposing the war, and the other critical voices that were suppressed with "express approval from Washington." (O'Connor glosses over how Lincoln could ever have been reasonably construed as having that power, which went far beyond the issue of habeas corpus.)
Nor is any mention made of how suppressing the riots, over a draft that was never authorized by the Constitution (and intended to be prohibited later by the 13th Amendment), also involved the wrecking of local newspapers and a federalizing of the state militias without sanction of law.
Lincoln trampled constantly on the First Amendment. Let's not sugar-coat it.
Thank you for this post. Just today my anti-cop, anti-Bush, pro-Castro, anti-Ashcroft criminal procedure professor was bitching about Lincoln doing this. She made the comment, "Most everybody will now say that this was a huge mistake my Lincoln." Sometimes I think she and others don't look back at the situation President Lincoln and the Union was facing.
As opposed to the slave-drivers who would whip their "property" if they spoke ill of the Massuh or tried to gain their freedom.
As long as he, or anyone else, leaves the Second Amendment alone.
The fact remains that these united States joined in a voluntary union, and the ultimate defence against centralized tyranny was seccesion. The Confederacy chose to secede, and Lincoln destroyed the voluntary union by tyranically preventing that seccesion. So, thanks to "honest" Abe, we have the federal gov't on our backs today.
Please tell the class what "centralized tyranny" caused South Carolina to seceed in 1860.
That may be a new world record. Three blatant misstatement of Constitutional facts in only one sentence. Congratulations.
Lincoln's 2nd Inaugural and the coming War in Iraq
Cheers,
Richard F.
and ATTACK the United States.
Better that than the whip of the bondsman. It wasn't Lincoln that forced the South to make slaves of men and women whose skins were dark. It wasn't Lincoln that forced secession. It wasn't Lincoln that fired on Fort Sumpter. It wasn't Lincoln that presided over the injustices of Reconstruction. It wasn't Lincoln that fled in a dress.
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