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Columbia Discussion thread
Feb 1, 2003

Posted on 02/01/2003 8:41:00 AM PST by Admin Moderator

Edited on 02/01/2003 9:11:45 AM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

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Mission - sts107


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Shuttle Contact LOST-No Tracking Data During RE-Entry!

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TOPICS: Breaking News
KEYWORDS: columbia; columbiatragedy; feb12003; india; israel; nasa; shuttle; spaceshuttle; sts107; unitedstates
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CBS is signing off live coverage.
921 posted on 02/01/2003 12:57:41 PM PST by Timesink (I offered her a ring, she gave me the finger)
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To: Timesink
It should surprise nobody that shuttle debris sales (or claims to that effect) are already appearing on eBay. I am contacting eBay to ascertain their policy on such sales.

These people will soon find out that attempting to sell United States Government property is very expensive to your free time and pocketbook.
922 posted on 02/01/2003 12:57:42 PM PST by Arkinsaw
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To: lainie
The same ones who celebrated when the Towers came down.
923 posted on 02/01/2003 12:59:00 PM PST by SAMWolf (To look into the eyes of the wolf is to see your soul)
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To: isthisnickcool
Thanks! That was very nice of you! God Bless!
924 posted on 02/01/2003 12:59:02 PM PST by PhiKapMom (Bush/Cheney 2004)
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To: Dave S
Enlighten me, please. What does a heart murmer have to do with making a mistake? Where is the proof that Grissom panicked and blew the hatch prematurely? The mistakes made by Kalpana Chawla have been well documented.
925 posted on 02/01/2003 12:59:03 PM PST by Ima Lurker
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To: Conservababe
These experts were all very close to this mission these men and women who are dead. They also work for a government agency and are EXPECTED to give the press some information, and I beleive they are doing their best. They are providing as much technical information as they have. I know I would not do as well in a similar situation.
926 posted on 02/01/2003 12:59:44 PM PST by Route66 (America's Mainstreet)
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To: Arkinsaw
Well, I guess as a medical professional, I do not understand unrestrained emotions under pressure or grief...except in private, if it involves your profession.
927 posted on 02/01/2003 12:59:50 PM PST by Conservababe (I calls it like I sees it.)
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To: TEXOKIE
Amen

Thanks for the ping Texokie
928 posted on 02/01/2003 12:59:59 PM PST by firewalk
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To: Conservababe
Ebay will pull any auctions of shuttle debris and notify the proper authorities--I'm 99% sure. They're sensitive to THIS kind of thing anyway.
929 posted on 02/01/2003 1:00:44 PM PST by ChemistCat (We should have had newer, safer, better, more efficient ships by now, damn it.)
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Columbia Shuttle Tile - "This is an authentic piece of shuttle tile designed for the Columbia Shuttle! It was never used and is new in a plastic display box that is 2" by 3"."

Posted one hour ago.

930 posted on 02/01/2003 1:02:12 PM PST by Timesink (I offered her a ring, she gave me the finger)
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To: Arkinsaw; All
If a tire inflated to 300psi (according to Michlin specifications) heats up and expoldes in virtually no atmosphere, it will do some massive damage. A regular automobile tire at 45psi at ground level and normal temperatures makes a pretty impressive explosion and does some damage.

To ALL: There has never been a SAM made that can hit something going mach 18. An ICBM does mach 13, (about 25 times faster than a bullet), and we can't intercept one of them yet. Even if the SAM exploded right beside the shuttle, the fragments couldn't catch up.

931 posted on 02/01/2003 1:02:13 PM PST by Calvinist_Dark_Lord (He must increase, but I must decrease)
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To: steveegg
This would appear to imply that the hydraulic system got too hot or there was a leak in the system to begin with. Lots of questions come to mind.

1. Must me missing a tile somewhere?
2. Loss of control of left wing due to hydraulic leak.
3. Wonder how the hydraulic fluid thermally decomposes?
4. Is there enough air for combustion?
5. Burning jet of hydraulic fluid causes other problems?

I was looking into risk earlier. Risk-wise NASA counted on a loss of 1 in 50 shuttle flights when the program was originally conceived. The risk has certainly gone down significantly in the wake of Challenger, but we were probably overdue. I have found a more recent briefing which indicates the loss rate is now calculated to be 1 in 250 as of 2002 which is an amazing number as far as space launch is concerned. I think we are well over 150 flights now. Their aim at the time of the briefing was 1 in 500 by 2012. Here's the link.

http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/codeq/safetydir/Wednesday/stamatelatos.pdf

It truly is rocket science.
932 posted on 02/01/2003 1:02:47 PM PST by Rockitz (After all these years, it's still rocket science.)
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To: TEXOKIE
Thank you for your prayer to which I add my own fervent AMEN.
933 posted on 02/01/2003 1:02:49 PM PST by JulieRNR21 (Take W-04........Across America!)
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To: Conservababe
Well, I guess as a medical professional, I do not understand unrestrained emotions under pressure or grief...except in private, if it involves your profession.

Not trying to criticize you as I admire your ability to do that. But have you had to go in front of the press discussing in clinical detail how your best friend at work just died? It might be a bit different than dealing with the death of a regular patient.
934 posted on 02/01/2003 1:02:59 PM PST by Arkinsaw
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To: MadIvan
At a time like this the President needn't do much more than express the feelings that we all share. An expression of a great sense of loss, condolences to the families, coworkers and friends of the lost souls. It doesn't seem right now that the achievements are worth the cost, but we know in time that we will realize that they were. We will press on to achieve the goals they paid the price to reach. And we will know that when we reach that goal, that every person who contributed was willing to pay that cost, realizing the chances they were taking. The emotions run the gamet from sorrow, to pride, to a sense of loss, to a realization that we are never better than when we come together as a nation in trying times. Today we have friends in foreign lands who share our grief. So much the better.
935 posted on 02/01/2003 1:03:33 PM PST by DoughtyOne
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To: Conservababe
. . . is it just me or do anyone of you find the NASA press conference too emotional?

I'm sure it is -NOT- just you.

But I find the conference to be suitably informative from a technical point of view, and understandably emotional. I do not share your "opinion," that the conference is too emotional.

936 posted on 02/01/2003 1:03:43 PM PST by Cboldt
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To: SAMWolf
Representatives of the religion of peace.

And these don't appear to be undercover fanatics we're talking about. That story says popular opinion from Joe Blow on the street.
937 posted on 02/01/2003 1:03:53 PM PST by lainie
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To: isthisnickcool
Thank you.
938 posted on 02/01/2003 1:05:22 PM PST by ChemistCat (We should have had newer, safer, better, more efficient ships by now, damn it.)
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To: anniegetyourgun; isthisnickcool; TEXOKIE
Thanks you fordelivering the flowers, isthisnickcool.

TEXOKIE, thank you for your prayer.

939 posted on 02/01/2003 1:05:25 PM PST by Miss Marple
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To: DoughtyOne
I can almost guarantee that one of the first people to call President Bush would have been Prime Minister Blair.

We grieve with you, as your bretheren.

Regards, Ivan

940 posted on 02/01/2003 1:06:32 PM PST by MadIvan
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