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Columbia Discussion thread
Feb 1, 2003

Posted on 02/01/2003 8:41:00 AM PST by Admin Moderator

Edited on 02/01/2003 9:11:45 AM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

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On behalf of posters on Free Republic, I post this with deepest sympathy for the crew and their families.

Mission - sts107


This is a continuation of the original thread.

Shuttle Contact LOST-No Tracking Data During RE-Entry!

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TOPICS: Breaking News
KEYWORDS: columbia; columbiatragedy; feb12003; india; israel; nasa; shuttle; spaceshuttle; sts107; unitedstates
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I think the Iraqi government has done just about the stupidest thing it could have done...

Iraqis Call Shuttle Disaster God's Vengeance

761 posted on 02/01/2003 11:27:26 AM PST by Chad Fairbanks (We've got Armadillos in our trousers. It's really quite frightening.)
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To: hole_n_one
therlam tile.

dep

762 posted on 02/01/2003 11:27:39 AM PST by dep
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To: Howlin
:)
I noticed it, Howlin!! Touching and honorable that the good citizen left a heartfelt token... AND LEFT the "debris" instead of snatching it up to sell on ebay. (grrrr)
763 posted on 02/01/2003 11:27:53 AM PST by exhaustedmomma (Praying for families of Columbia Shuttle)
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To: Darlin'
I mean no offence, you said I certainly hope lurkers do not consider that statement to be atypical of FReeper mentality and intelligence. I think you either meant “I certainly hope lurkers consider that statement to be atypical of FReeper mentality and intelligence.” Or I certainly hope lurkers do not consider that statement to be typical of FReeper mentality and intelligence.

In light of the tragedy, I realize this may seem unimportant but it does change the meaning of your post.

764 posted on 02/01/2003 11:29:12 AM PST by Friend of thunder
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To: michaelt
The focus of terrorism has been that the shuttle was not attacked FROM THE GROUND.

Of course this doesn't include any computer attack within the shuttle itself.
765 posted on 02/01/2003 11:29:52 AM PST by CyberAnt ( Syracuse where are you?)
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To: Chad Fairbanks
They are Assholes
766 posted on 02/01/2003 11:30:15 AM PST by CyberCowboy777 (Extremism in the Pursuit of Liberty is no Vice!)
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To: tscislaw; Admin Moderator
Oh goodness gracious, I am too busy today with a birthday celebration preperations to contend with this nonsense. I cannot follow this thread except sporadically. Each time I go to this thread, I have to wade through posts debating who in the space program made mistakes. Sheppard has made an apology for his remarks. So let it go please?

This thread was started with the intention to commiserate and share information. Let's concentrate on the tradegy and drop the flaming?
767 posted on 02/01/2003 11:30:25 AM PST by Conservababe
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768 posted on 02/01/2003 11:31:05 AM PST by hole_n_one
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To: CyberCowboy777
What's even worse, is there are Freepers who actually agree... sad...
769 posted on 02/01/2003 11:32:15 AM PST by Chad Fairbanks (We've got Armadillos in our trousers. It's really quite frightening.)
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To: rintense
Copied over from the other Columbia thread...

DEORBITING THE SHUTTLE/LANDING SEQUENCE

To return to Earth the astronauts must perform a number of checklist items including cleaning up the crew cabin, reinstalling the mission and payload specialist seats, powering down scientific experiments or the Spacelab, and closing the payload bay door s. If the doors fail to close an astronaut must perform an EVA to remove four shear pins that allow the doors to be manually closed; the orbiter cannot reenter with the payload bay doors open. Next the astronauts don the pressure suits which they wore during ascent to prevent loss of oxygen and pressure during descent and to accomplish the contingency abort if it becomes necessary.

After the astronauts are suited and seated, the shuttle commander orients the shuttle using the RCS so that the OMS engines are pointing in the direction of the orbiter motion. An OMS burn performed in this position slows down the orbiter so that its new perigee point is about 6 miles or 36,000 feet above the Earth's surface. Another RCS maneuver points the nose forward and sets up a space-atmosphere interface attitude of about 30º nose up. This insures that the thermal energy is concentrated on t he heat tiles. From a point halfway around the world the shuttle begins its entry.

The orbiter enters the Earth's atmosphere as it travels toward its new perigee point. A spacecraft normally increases velocity as it travels from apogee to perigee, but the drag induced by the Earth's atmosphere begins to slow down the shuttle. This decrease in speed causes the orbiter to increase its descent rate as the perigee point changes due to the spacecraft slow down. The pilots continue to orient the spacecraft using the RCS so that its bottom surface faces down with the nose facing forward.

About 30 minutes after the deorbit burn the shuttle begins to penetrate the Earth's atmosphere in earnest. Tremendous heat builds up on the orbiter's underside until it reaches a maximum at 20 minutes before landing. Thermal protection of the spacecraft is vital to human survival; this protection depends upon 32,000 silica glass tiles. These tiles vary from a measurement of six inches by six inches to eight by eight inches. They range in thickness from one-half an inch to 3.5 inches and are the consistency of chalk. Twenty thousand of these tiles are called high temperature reusable surface insulation (HRSI) and cover the areas most likely to encounter intense heat such as the bottom of the orbiter and its nose. These tiles are painted black and resist temperatures up to 1300ºF by radiating 90% of the heat back into the Earth's atmosphere. Low temperature reusable surface insulation tiles are painted white and resist temperatures up to 1200ºF. These tiles cover the upper side of the or biter's wing and the sides closest to the nose.

Because of the intense heat generated on the orbiter's nose and leading edges of the wings, reinforced carbon-carbon with a temperature resistance of 2300ºF is used to cover these surfaces. The rest of the orbiter including the top of the wings and the payload bay only encounter mild heat effects so they are covered with a thin layer of white insulation called flexible reusable surface insulation (FRSI) which protects up to 700ºF.

The reentry heat also causes another phenomenon called ionized communications blackout. The energy causing the heating strips away the electrons from the nitrogen and oxygen molecules causing positive ions which ensheath the sides and bottom of the orbiter thus causing loss of communications from 25 minutes before landing until 12 minutes before landing.

During the last 16 minutes before landing the orbiter performs four S-turn maneuvers to slow it down. Each of these turns removes energy from the vehicle very much like that experienced by a giant slalom skier. At this time the flight control systems such as the elevons and the rudder have sufficient air pressure to accomplish the maneuvers and the RCS is turned off. The last S-turn is performed five minutes prior to landing while the orbiter's speed is still MACH 2. At 5 minutes before landing the shuttle is at 83,000 feet. Its target is a 15,000 foot runway which looks like a skinny postage stamp at this altitude. At 86 seconds prior to landing the orbiter is at 425 miles per hour and at 13,000 feet; at this point the autoland sequence begins. Approaching the runway from this altitude, the shuttle has a 22º glide slope and a rate of descent approaching 22,000 feet per minute. The average airliner uses three degrees and a rate of descent of 700 feet per minute. At 17 seconds prior to touch down the glideslope is changed from 22º to 1.5º. At 14 seconds prior to touchdown the landing gear is lowered and then touchdown occurs at 215 miles per hour. When all three gear are firmly on the runway a small drag chute is released to slow the orbiter further and expend less energy on the wheel brakes. The orbiter rolls to a stop and then a convoy comes out to safe the craft. The major fact to remember is that this entire landing sequence is done without any power and the astronauts are flying nothing more than a large glider.

}:-)4

770 posted on 02/01/2003 11:32:18 AM PST by Moose4
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To: Steel Wolf
Quesiton from another thread: How much wind resistance or general atmospheric density is there at 200,000 feet? (Where we assume the shuttle began to break up).

Would it be enough to 'catch' on something, say an improperly sealed section in the landing gear system, and cause it to heat up or divert the path of the shuttle while it was turning?

Dunno the specifics. However, as the speed of the shuttle is high enough to use the control surfaces even at that altitude, I'd have to also believe that there is enough to snap off pieces like the "fall-off" tiles or a landing gear door. The most-likely effect of that, because tiles do fall off, is to increase heating rather than create an assymetrical drag.

771 posted on 02/01/2003 11:32:44 AM PST by steveegg
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To: hole_n_one
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772 posted on 02/01/2003 11:33:01 AM PST by mhking
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To: 6ppc
Thanks. I knew it was just before touchdown but didn't want to exagerate the last moment timing too much. I was going to estimate it at 20 seconds and then backed off. I appreciate the correction.
773 posted on 02/01/2003 11:33:01 AM PST by DoughtyOne
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To: ladysusan
I just heard a report on FoX 4 that just this has already happened, and that the auction has been pulled.

I was wondering what would come first - the piece of debris offered up for auction on eBay, or the lawsuit filed by some jacka$$ whose petunias got squashed by a piece of debris. Some people are just beyond hope.

774 posted on 02/01/2003 11:33:09 AM PST by CFC__VRWC
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To: hole_n_one
OH MY GOSH... can you imagine this dropping in your yard! eeekk. The news said that debris could be falling for hours!
775 posted on 02/01/2003 11:33:22 AM PST by exhaustedmomma (Praying for families of Columbia Shuttle)
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To: Chad Fairbanks
Re: Iraqis Call Shuttle Disaster God's Vengeance
Sat February 1, 2003 02:08 PM ET
BAGHDAD (Reuters) - Immediate popular reaction in Baghdad on Saturday to the loss of the U.S. space shuttle Columbia and its seven-member crew -- including the first Israeli in space -- was that its was God's retribution on Americans. "We are happy that it broke up," government employee Abdul Jabbar al-Quraishi said.
"God wants to show that his might is greater than the Americans. They have encroached on our country. God is avenging us," he said.
Car mechanic Mohammed Jaber al-Tamini noted Israeli air force Colonel Ilan Ramon was among the dead when the shuttle broke up shortly before its return to earth.
"Israel launched an aggression on us when it raided our nuclear reactor without any reason (in 1981), now time has come and God has retaliated to their aggression," Tamini said.

Well, this is not unexpected. More of this ilk is sure to follow.

776 posted on 02/01/2003 11:33:44 AM PST by sonofatpatcher2 (God Speed Columbia Seven)
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To: general_re
"The Challenger predates me..."

Come on, kid - you're making me feel old and I'm not old, dammit ;)

Imagine how I feel -- I remember the JFK assassination.

777 posted on 02/01/2003 11:34:18 AM PST by Ichneumon
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To: All
Several military jets headed east on Cedar Creek lake a few minutes ago. Wonder if they have found the main wreckage near TX/LA border? Biggest pieces go farther.
778 posted on 02/01/2003 11:34:23 AM PST by John Jamieson
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To: CFC__VRWC
Just moments ago Fox reported that it was refurbished in 1999. I believe that is different than the report I heard earlier, so lets say it was between two and four years ago. I don't know which is more accurate.
779 posted on 02/01/2003 11:34:37 AM PST by DoughtyOne
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To: CFC__VRWC
Yes, beyond hope. Lower forms of life, in my book. Hope I'm not being too harsh here.
780 posted on 02/01/2003 11:34:50 AM PST by ladysusan
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