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BREAKING NEWS: CHAVEZ'S GOONS MURDER TWO OPPOSITION DEMONSTRATORS
Fox News | 1/20/03

Posted on 01/20/2003 10:41:41 AM PST by Sparta

Geraldo just said on Fox News that "excellent sources" are reporting two opposition demonstrators have been killed today in demonstrations. Developing.....


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To: Sparta
CARACAS, Venezuela (AP) -- Supporters of President Hugo Chavez clashed with opposition marchers outside Caracas on Monday, and one person was killed when shots were fired into the crowd.

The confrontation began when Chavez's supporters tossed bottles and rocks at the marchers in the town of Charallave, Miranda state governor Enrique Mendoza said. He said rioters set fire to vehicles and a stage that had been set up for opposition speakers.

Police were trying to keep the two sides apart when gunfire erupted. It wasn't clear who fired the shots, though Mendoza said police fired back.

A 29-year-old man was killed and 12 were wounded by gunfire, said Lt. Col. Guido Bolivar, an officer of the Miranda state fire department. The rest were hurt by flying objects, Bolivar said.

It wasn't known if the wounded were hit in the initial hail of gunfire or by police.

The violence heightened tensions surrounding a 50-day-old opposition strike intended to oust Chavez. Six people have died in protests since the strike started Dec. 2.

The unrest coincided with a visit from former President Jimmy Carter, who was trying to jump-start negotiations between the government and opposition.

Carter, who won the Nobel Peace Prize in October, was to meet with Chavez and attend negotiations sponsored the Organization of American States. Carter's Atlanta-based Carter Center is also sponsoring talks. He arrived in Venezuela on Wednesday for a fishing trip.

In his weekly television call-in show Sunday, Chavez warned that the government may walk out of negotiations with strike leaders. He accused them of using unconstitutional means to seek his ouster.

``We are carefully evaluating the possibility that our representatives will leave the (negotiating) table,'' Chavez said. ``We don't talk with terrorists.''

Political parties, business leaders and labor unions called the general strike to pressure Chavez to resign or call early elections. Election authorities agreed to organize a Feb. 2 referendum after accepting an opposition petition.

Chavez says opponents must wait until August, midway through his six-year term, for a possible recall referendum. A Supreme Court ruling on the matter is pending.

The strike has caused severe shortages in gasoline and foods such as flour, milk, bottled water and soft drinks.

Production is down to 800,000 barrels a day, according to the government, though opposition leaders put the figure at 600,000 barrels. Venezuela is the world's fifth-largest petroleum-exporting nation and produced 3 million barrels a day before the strike.

The president of Venezuela's oil monopoly urged workers to return to work Monday.

``I urge you as citizens, appealing to whatever reserves of rationality there may be, to stop these activities, stop this campaign that affects the whole country,'' Ali Rodriguez, president of Petroleos de Venezuela S.A, said in an interview on state television station Venezolana de Television.

``The objectives you have set are unreachable,'' said Rodriguez, a chief Chavez ally.

Chavez has fired more than 1,000 white-collar workers at PDVSA. He has the support of Venezuela's military and has sent troops to seize striking oil tankers, keep strikers out of oil installations and commandeer gasoline delivery trucks.

Chavez's opponents say his leftist policies have driven the country toward economic ruin. They also say his autocratic style erodes democratic institutions.

41 posted on 01/20/2003 11:41:35 AM PST by Dog Gone
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To: Sparta
Funded how? Are those American firms that negotiated for pipeline deals through Afghanistan also part of the "Axis of Evil"?
42 posted on 01/20/2003 11:41:45 AM PST by Destro
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To: Grampa Dave
It's always MUCH better if a people can throw off their own dictators... for us AND for them. Can you imagine what we would said/done if some European nation decided to get physically involved in the Civil War, on either side?
43 posted on 01/20/2003 11:42:33 AM PST by Teacher317
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To: RoughDobermann
Neither am I. Still, the fact that Venezuela is the third-largest supplier of oil to the United States makes me a tad nervous...

And the socialists in our own country are inhibiting the drilling of oil from our own land. They're siding with the worlds socialists rather than Americas freedom.
They really think socialism , i.e., the third way, is the utopian way to exist. They really think it is because the government takes care of everything (that includes getting rid of the left wing useless idiots when they've served ther purpose, but the left doesn't know about that part. Socialism has no place for useless eaters.)

44 posted on 01/20/2003 11:46:20 AM PST by concerned about politics (Achievement is politically incorrect.)
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To: Dog Gone
Beat me to it. The Guardian(UK) just hit press with it.
45 posted on 01/20/2003 11:46:57 AM PST by Sparta (Statism is a mental illness)
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To: concerned about politics; Sparta
It's quite the burden we're carryng right now to keep America free when our own nation is 50% socialist. I hope we can win this.

I agree. However, I have a feeling if the whole world sees our awesome power unleashed on Iraq and we knock off Chavez things will quiet down quickly.

Unfortunately for the people of Venezuela, GW won't step in until Chavez refuses to allow new elections. Technically GW would be correct in respecting their election and the rule of law. I just have a bad feeling that a lot of good people are going to die in the meantime.

46 posted on 01/20/2003 11:49:05 AM PST by MattinNJ
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To: Destro; MattinNJ; Grampa Dave
http://militaresdemocraticos.com/articulos/en/20021231-01.html

Read it and learn.
47 posted on 01/20/2003 11:49:19 AM PST by Sparta (Statism is a mental illness)
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To: RoughDobermann
Neither am I. Still, the fact that Venezuela is the third-largest supplier of oil to the United States makes me a tad nervous...

Maybe we should drill in Alaska and have it not be the case? In any case just because "we" buy it does not make it ours when it comes out of the ground. It is their oil even when they screw up production and it is theirs to do as they please.

48 posted on 01/20/2003 11:50:59 AM PST by Destro
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To: Sparta
Don't worry! Jimmy Carter just landed there and will straighten this whole thing out. {/sarcasm}
49 posted on 01/20/2003 11:53:12 AM PST by DoctorMichael (Liberalism SuX)
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To: Destro
Venezuala is in America's direct sphere of influence even in oldschool isolationist foreign policy. Alaska could repace Saudi oil but we ain't gonna be able to produce everything domestically.
50 posted on 01/20/2003 11:58:02 AM PST by weikel
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To: Carry_Okie; Sparta
I don't care what happens inside another country. I don't care how bad Chavez is or how good the Generals are. Not my nation's problem.

I have no problem learning about the crisis there, I just refuse involvement.

51 posted on 01/20/2003 11:59:48 AM PST by Destro
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To: DoctorMichael
He'll hold and hands and sing koombaya with Chavez and everything will be peachy just like with the Panama Canal and North Korea.
52 posted on 01/20/2003 11:59:58 AM PST by Sparta (Statism is a mental illness)
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To: Destro
I'm all for drilling in the NWR so we would not have to worry about such external issues. But, until we do, I for one do consider Venezuela's internal issues to be "our business."
53 posted on 01/20/2003 12:01:19 PM PST by RoughDobermann
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To: Destro
Any regime who funds Al-Qaeda must be removed. As President Bush said on September 20, 2001; you are with us or with the terrorists.
54 posted on 01/20/2003 12:02:28 PM PST by Sparta (Statism is a mental illness)
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To: weikel
I am not an isolationist, I am an non-interventionist. Unless the borders and "property" of America is threatened I don't care. Venezuala's oil does not become our property until we buy it at market value.
55 posted on 01/20/2003 12:06:43 PM PST by Destro
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To: Sparta
You did not answer my questions.
56 posted on 01/20/2003 12:07:43 PM PST by Destro
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To: Destro
I have no problem learning about the crisis there, I just refuse involvement.

No matter how preferable was the maintenance of an isolationist foreign policy, it's now too late to so return. We crossed that bridge wrongly over a hundred years ago. Those who mean us ill will not just "let us be" should we so return, for they have no assurance that we would so remain. As long as America is powerful, it is curiously at peril. We are accountable in the world, both for our power and our history.

57 posted on 01/20/2003 12:12:38 PM PST by Carry_Okie (Because there are people in power who are truly evil.)
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To: backhoe; RnMomof7; Fiddlstix; shanec; HAL9000; Freedom'sWorthIt; rintense; OXENinFLA; ...
Geraldo coming up NOW live from Caracus on FOXNEWS.
58 posted on 01/20/2003 12:14:22 PM PST by madfly
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To: Grampa Dave
"If they want this to end, they can end it, very quickly!"

Good advice.

59 posted on 01/20/2003 12:15:26 PM PST by cake_crumb (What would we do without FR? Don't wait to find out. Become a monthly donor.)
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To: Carry_Okie
What you posted means what? If we do nothing Commie Latino hordes funded by Venezualian petro pesos will invade America?
60 posted on 01/20/2003 12:16:22 PM PST by Destro
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