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Fearing for lives, Jews in France flee
The Detroit News ^ | January 17 2003 | Jocelyn Gecker/AP

Posted on 01/17/2003 3:12:21 AM PST by knighthawk

Edited on 05/07/2004 7:09:12 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

PARIS -- Jewish parents tell their sons not to wear yarmulkes. A rabbi is stabbed. Elderly women are frisked before entering synagogues -- just in case. As the stresses of being Jewish in France multiply, some feel it safer to hide their religion. Others have decided the only solution is to pack up and leave -- more than twice as many as a year earlier, according to statistics by the Jewish Agency.


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TOPICS: Israel; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: antisemitism; flee; france; french; israel; jacqueschirac; jews; judeophobia
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To: mamelukesabre
Jews not only refuse to convert to your faith, but they also refuse to convert you to their faith.

Actually, Jews are converting and leaving Judaism in large numbers, usually due to a marriage outside the faith. Also, Jews do welcome converts, but you are turned down the first two times that you ask. (tradition) A rabbi once told me that he thought the jewish message would win favor in a large portion of non-religious society because Jews are encouraged to study and question the scripture. (Of course there are all those pesky laws, but there is a tradition of a lot of philosophic thought. He went on to say that it is against jewish tradition to seek converts. (Something that usually makes people of other religions happy, since they are not threatened by a non-prosetylizing religion.

161 posted on 01/25/2003 5:10:38 PM PST by KC_for_Freedom
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To: mamelukesabre
The accepted explanation of why hitler's anti jewish policies were welcomed by the germans and the poles, is that the jews refused to participate in civic and military activities. The average citizen was angered by the jew's refusal to fight to defend the "homeland" even though it was painfully obvious that the jews were reaping the greatest rewards of their nation's economy. The average citizen, having strong feelings of pride and nationalism, would naturally dislike these people. The average german would naturally conclude that they were sending their children off to die so that the jew's children could live in the lap of luxury while at the same time having contempt for those that are sacrificing for them!

Accepted by whom, people who read Der Strumer for history? The writers at CODOH and IHR?
One of the main Nazi claimswas that Jews were too involved in German affairs in Weimar. They also blamed Jews for the defeat of the Central Powers, claiming that they had "stabbed Germany in the back!" How could Jews do this if they lived only in their communities?
The reality is taht Germany Jews were among the most assimilated. The Reform movement was created in Germany for this purpose.
As for Jews not surving, this is a malicious lie. Jews served and died in World War one in disproportionately high numbers.
If Jews didn't serve, how could they be in the German and Austrian ofice corps?

You have a lot of hostility towards Jews. Are you a North African or Turkish Muslim as your screen name would suggest?

162 posted on 01/25/2003 11:32:07 PM PST by rmlew
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To: rmlew
I don't have hostilities towards jews.

NO, I am not muslim. I am just a plain generic protestant that never goes to church.

I came up with my screen name right after 9-11. Back then congress was voting on whether or not to formally declare war on alquaeda. It was my way of supporting a vote for declaring war. As you know, they voted against it.

The only other time in the history of the US that congress declared war against a group of people that was not a nation or country or government was when we went to war against the barbary pirates. At the end of that war, some dignitary of egypt gave a ceremonial sword to a high ranking officer in the navy to show his appreciation. That's where I got the idea.

The only problem I've ever had with jews is the way my buddies jewish wife gets treated by her jewish freinds. They seem to run her down for marrying a non jew. I'm not sure why, but that seems to bother me.
163 posted on 01/26/2003 2:43:57 PM PST by mamelukesabre
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To: mamelukesabre
NO, they do not assimilate well in america.

I am not going to argue with you on this point. The evidence is all around us. I saw a show on PBS about a year ago about a group of big city east coast jews that bought an unused meat processing plant in a small town in iowa to produce kosher meats..

Got a link?

164 posted on 01/26/2003 5:06:34 PM PST by BrooklynGOP (...speaking of dumb....)
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To: mamelukesabre
is that the jews refused to participate in civic and military activities.

Where do you get your "facts" from? The average citizen was angered by the jew's refusal to fight to defend the "homeland"...

Is that so? In march of 1935 something like "formation of the wermacht" law was introduced which specifially disallowed for Jews to serve in the army.. Kind of contradicts your empty allegation... Interestingly, Holocaust deniers will try convince you that Jews served in Hitler's army (!!!).

The average german would naturally conclude that they were sending their children off to die so that the jew's children could live in the lap of luxury while at the same time having contempt for those that are sacrificing for them!

You are speculating - what's more I would like solid facts as to what your speculations are based on. Here's an interesting fact. In 1918 Hitler was presented with the Iron Cross 1st Class.... You will find it *very* interesting that his superior officer, the man who recommended him for the coveted Iron Cross 1st Class was - a Jew. "Hugo Gutmann was Hitler's immediate superior officer from January 29 to August 31, 1918" here are some interesting facts about Hugo Gutmann:

In 1902 he volunteered for the army and was appointed non-commissioned officer before he was transferred to the reserve in 1904. At the outbreak of war in 1914, Hugo Gutmann was called up, and soon after he was transferred to Regiment List. On April 15, 1915, he was promoted to Lieutenant, and after that he acted as adjutant for the regiment's artillery battalion. On the same day that Hitler received his Iron Cross, the regimental commander, Freiherr von Tubeuf, wrote a recommendation on Gutmann which shows his energy as a front officer. Gutmann was awarded the Iron Cross 2nd Class on December 2, 1914 - incidentally the same day as Hitler - and the Iron Cross 1st Class on December 4, 1915.

What? A Jew volunteered to go to the army?!?!?!? What? A Jew was awarded an Iron Cross? Oh my.. Have a read: http://www.holocaust-history.org/fuehrer-myth/chapter-02.shtml Another interesting fact for you to attempt to spin.

At the outbreak of the Civil War in 1861 — which saw brother against brother as well as Jew against Jew — there were 150,000 Jews in the United States. Three thousand fought on the side of the Confederacy and 6,700 for the Union.

and "More than 260,000 people are buried at Arlington Cemetery" and "As of Dec. 7, 1995, there are 1,996 Jewish military service members interred in Arlington National Cemetery. " (http://www.mdw.army.mil/fs-p36.htm)

165 posted on 01/26/2003 5:47:02 PM PST by BrooklynGOP (...speaking of dumb....)
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To: mamelukesabre
The only problem I've ever had with jews is the way my buddies jewish wife gets treated by her jewish freinds. They seem to run her down for marrying a non jew.

Then take it up with them.

166 posted on 01/26/2003 5:48:07 PM PST by BrooklynGOP (...speaking of dumb....)
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To: mamelukesabre
Jews not only refuse to convert to your faith,

Well, excuse us.

but they also refuse to convert you to their faith.

Did you, or anybody you know attempt to convert to Judaism and was denied the opportunity?

To jews, only those that are born jews matter.

That's your opinion.. Unfortunately your opinion is not based on facts.. I'll be waiting for you to spin my post about Jews in the army..

167 posted on 01/26/2003 5:50:03 PM PST by BrooklynGOP (...speaking of dumb....)
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