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U.S. Social Security for Mexicans?
TownHall.com ^ | Tuesday, January 14, 2003 | by Phyllis Schlafly

Posted on 01/13/2003 9:27:20 PM PST by JohnHuang2

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Phyllis Schlafly (back to story)

January 14, 2003

U.S. Social Security for Mexicans?

Social Security, the so-called "third rail" of American politics, has just become more incendiary. The Bush administration is proposing a change that is even more controversial than offering younger workers the opportunity to invest a small percentage of their Social Security taxes.

Everybody knows that Social Security is facing a massive shortfall in a few years when the baby-boom generation starts to retire. Higher taxes, reduced benefits or allowing some measure of privatization are the alternatives that need to be worked out by bipartisan consensus.

The Bush administration has just thrown a monkey wrench into a harmonious solution. A deal is in the works to add to the bulging Social Security rolls many thousands of Mexicans who are working in the United States, both legally and illegally. This idea would be very costly to U.S. taxpayers. It's bad politics, it undermines the rule of law and it invites a new wave of illegals to come across our border in search of taxpayer benefits. Vicente Fox's success as Mexico's president is threatened by his country's terrible poverty. So he has a very ambitious plan to deal with it: export his poverty to the United States.

Fox encourages poor and desperate Mexicans to risk all kinds of hardships to cross the U.S. border illegally, often paying their life savings to a criminal "coyote," making a deal to transport illegal drugs or enduring life-threatening thirst in the Arizona desert. Fox even toyed with a plan to give them survival kits to ease their pain. If the illegal aliens manage to elude U.S. border guards and escape death on the highway in crowded vans or trucks driven by inexperienced drivers, many manage to land in various locations far away from Mexico, such as Colorado, Iowa or Georgia. They can then hope to get hired by a U.S. employer willing to close his eyes to how they got so far away from home.

Nevertheless, the illegals are told by Fox and other Mexican officials to "think Mexican" first and send as much as they can scrape out of their pitiful paychecks back to relatives in Mexico. According to a Pew Hispanic Center and Inter-American Development Bank report, Mexicans in the United States will send $13 billion this year to relatives in Mexico.

As soon as George W. Bush was elected president, Fox started pressuring him to legitimize the status of some 10 million illegal aliens who are in the United States, plus give amnesty to many illegals by reviving a loophole in an immigration law called 245(i). Those plans were sailing briskly until Sept. 11, the day that the American people woke up to the dangers of open borders, and Fox was forced to move to an incrementalist strategy.

Mexican consulates in the United States started issuing an identification card, called matricula consular, to Mexicans illegally living in our country. By definition, this card should prove that the holder is in the United States illegally, but it began to be accepted by police, banks and even driver's license offices in some states as though it were a valid ID. New York state and New York City, however, citing security reasons, just announced that they will not recognize the matricula consular as a valid identity card.

The deputy White House press secretary has just confirmed that the Social Security Administration has begun discussions with Mexico about an agreement to allow Mexicans to receive U.S. Social Security benefits. One plan is to allow Mexicans who were not employed in the United States long enough to collect U.S. Social Security benefits to count the time they worked in Mexico as part of the mandatory 10 years or 40 quarters.

The most expensive plan is to provide benefits to the estimated 5 million Mexicans who are working illegally in the United States after having supplied fake Social Security numbers to their employers.

"Our actuaries are working on the numbers," said Social Security spokesman Jim Courtney.

Acquiescing to Fox's demands would put hundreds of thousands of Mexicans onto the rolls of the U.S. Social Security system just as the first wave of baby boomers starts getting retirement checks. Already there is talk of an addition to the U.S. Embassy in Mexico City to handle 37,000 claims anticipated in the first year.

The Bush administration claims that these plans would promote "totalization" of U.S. and Mexican retirement systems and develop a positive relationship between the two countries. But offering Social Security benefits to people who knowingly violate U.S. immigration laws would create a powerful new incentive for more illegals to enter the United States. If foreigners work legally in the United States and pay Social Security taxes, they are entitled to receive the benefits they earned. But U.S. taxpayers should say "no" to Mexico's attempt to shift its social welfare burdens onto the U.S. taxpayers.

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To: MattinNJ
FWIW, I've had several contractors tell me that the Guatemalans outwork the Mexicans by a mile.

How did they compare to the US workers? Oh,,,,,,never mind.

41 posted on 01/14/2003 12:40:00 PM PST by Protagoras
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To: WRhine
I suggest that everyone reading this thread forward this article to Bill O'Reilly, Sean Hannity and as many in the conservative press (what's left of it) as they can.

Done. Also sent it to the President who's proposing this insanity and told him what I think of his idea.

42 posted on 01/14/2003 1:20:34 PM PST by janetgreen
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To: ThomasJefferson
How did they compare to the US workers? Oh,,,,,,never mind.

True story (although it's probably going to get me flamed big time)-I renovated a house about 7 or 8 years ago. A buddy of mine who was on a weeks vacation (leave?) from the USMC wanted to help out and make some money. I agreed and we went to pick up 4 day laborers (cringe). On the way I happened to remark at how hard these guys work and how incredibly strong they even though they can't weigh more than 120 lbs. My buddy started screaming SEMPER FI and going on and on about how he was going to put these guys to shame. I placed a friendly wager-double or nothing for the days pay if he kept up with a laborer of his choosing. The deal was he had to match the guy stride for stride, bucket for bucket, etc...

At the end of the day we had to scrape my buddy off the lawn. I paid him anyway.

43 posted on 01/14/2003 2:00:24 PM PST by MattinNJ
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To: ThomasJefferson
When the enemy makes the moves at least you expect them because he is the enemy. The problem we have here is friendly fire. We will be just as dead.

So, you believe we're no better off with Dubya as President than we would have been with Al Gore?

44 posted on 01/14/2003 3:06:54 PM PST by newgeezer (If it's not somewhat cruel and unusual, it's not punishment.)
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To: newgeezer
If not-that-many more of us had voted the way you did, we'd be discussing the latest moves of President Al Gore.

So it's better to get screwed over by your friends than by your enemies?

What are you saying?

45 posted on 01/14/2003 3:32:22 PM PST by John R. (Bob) Locke
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To: John R. (Bob) Locke
Bob,
The Founders (may they stop spinning someday) warned us about the dangers of what they called "factions". If they were here, they'd tell us to hit the reset button.

Regards,

46 posted on 01/14/2003 3:57:30 PM PST by GhostofWCooper
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To: ET(end tyranny)
If you look at the roster of names on the CFR and other globalist groups you'll find both parties on it.

As well as many CEO's, media hacks, and influential college professors. The CFR list is scary. For instance, every time the media needs a "historian" to interview on TV, it is always Michael Beshlof (spelled wrong). He, of course, is CFR all the way. No matter what channel, CNN, ABC, even FOX, there's Beshlof with his view of whatever historical event they are discussing. It's as though he is the only historian in the country. (Maybe the only historian at the CFR - who tows the New World Order party line.)
47 posted on 01/14/2003 4:06:53 PM PST by RepublicanHippy
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To: janetgreen
If you read about the New World Order philosophy, what they want to eventually accomplish is to consolidate North and South America (and everything in between) into one entity so we can live happily together as one. They have been working toward this end for decades now.
48 posted on 01/14/2003 4:10:44 PM PST by RepublicanHippy
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To: WRhine
"forward this article to Bill O'Reilly"

O'Reilly sschmeilly. He sold out to the New World Order crowd long ago. Do you think he would be this big if he hadn't? Listen to his arguments. In the end he always tows the NWO viewpoint, e.g. Clintoon impeachment, Osama mama Murphy, etc. He'an arrogant schmuck. He only pretends to be against illegal immigration to get conservative viewers to boost his ratings.
49 posted on 01/14/2003 4:15:57 PM PST by RepublicanHippy
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To: RepublicanHippy
Several years ago I (tried to) discuss the NWO with my nephew, a liberal professor at a southern university. He very politely implied that he thinks I'm nuts. I very politely told him that I still believed there was a big plan that was not in the best interests of America, and that it had to do with absolute power. There's no other answer to the insanity that's been going on in this country.
50 posted on 01/14/2003 6:49:53 PM PST by janetgreen
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To: ET(end tyranny)
No kidding...I wonder sometimes.

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

51 posted on 01/14/2003 7:08:30 PM PST by wku man
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To: janetgreen
"Several years ago I (tried to) discuss the NWO with my nephew, a liberal professor at a southern university. He very politely implied that he thinks I'm nuts"

Yes, that is often the response I get too. Once I discovered this (about fourteen years ago) everything started to make sense about what is going on in the world and in our own government. I am convinced of it. Your nephew is just very uninformed because the NWO philosophy is not taught in schools (because it would scare the ---- out of people and there would be an uprising). Nope, they just want to keep us in the dark about what they are doing as long as possible. Too many guns in this country.
52 posted on 01/14/2003 7:13:59 PM PST by RepublicanHippy
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To: RepublicanHippy
O'Reilly sschmeilly. He sold out to the New World Order crowd long ago.

I'm not sure I agree with that. O'Reilly has come out very strongly in favor of putting our military on the border and has skewered Bush, Ashcroft and the INS on a number of occasions for their unresponsiveness in controlling illegal immigration in this country. I'll take any ally I can on this issue, anywhere I can, even if they aren't 100% pure conservatives.

53 posted on 01/14/2003 7:20:22 PM PST by WRhine
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To: WRhine
Well maybe you are right, but I don't like O'Reily. He did not want to see Clinton thrown out of office and he said recently that Osama Mama Murray should not be thrown out either "because she made a mistake." He's a libertarian and talks out of both sides of his face whenever it suits him and he has often had guests from the CFR to discuss foreign policy, especially over the past year or so.
54 posted on 01/14/2003 7:41:11 PM PST by RepublicanHippy
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To: wku man; John R. (Bob) Locke
Don't waste your time with this one, John. PRND21 is a well-known apologist for illegal scumbag aliens.

Coming from a proven liar, this holds little weight.

55 posted on 01/14/2003 9:22:48 PM PST by PRND21
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To: John R. (Bob) Locke
The President has all but abandoned any sort of enforcement of our southern border

Notice the lack of response here.

Now re-read this familiar faced thread and tell me who is "asleep" to facts.

56 posted on 01/14/2003 9:28:00 PM PST by PRND21
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To: PRND21
You don't live in an area that is awash in illegal immigrants, do you?

Don't bother with an answer, because it's obvious.

This is nothing but straight-up pandering for votes, possbily at the expense of the Social Security system (which is already on its way to failure without tossing more people onto the rolls).

58 posted on 01/15/2003 3:18:53 AM PST by John R. (Bob) Locke
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To: RepublicanHippy
If you read about the New World Order philosophy, what they want to eventually accomplish is to consolidate North and South America (and everything in between) into one entity so we can live happily together as one. They have been working toward this end for decades now.

They are just being obvious about it now. Must be so many cogs are in place they don't fear a reversal. Once get a 'Unified Americas', how long before see Asia do the same? The the Tri of the tri-lateral will be in place. Then it will only be a matter of time before the three areas (Asia, Americas and Europe) will merge into ONE. Why have three different currenices? Why have different social programs, or retirement systems?

59 posted on 01/15/2003 4:51:20 AM PST by ET(end tyranny)
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To: John R. (Bob) Locke
When are apologists going to wake up? When are people going to stop lying?

There is no plan to give Social Security to illegals, there is plan to restore the Social Security payments to people who worked in the US legally, then moved back to Mexico.

Bill Clinton stopped the payments, Bush believes that if people paid into the system expecting benefits, they should get their money back.

This is something being done for people from other countries already, Mexico would simply be the newest nation signing the treaty.

There was no mention by the administration to pay SS benefits to illegals. It's notable that the article offers no concrete evidence, and leaves out pertinent facts that would clarify the issue.

When you distort the truth, or tell only part of it, it's still called lying.
60 posted on 01/15/2003 5:20:27 AM PST by Luis Gonzalez (The Ever So Humble Banana Republican)
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