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U.S. Social Security for Mexicans?
TownHall.com ^ | Tuesday, January 14, 2003 | by Phyllis Schlafly

Posted on 01/13/2003 9:27:20 PM PST by JohnHuang2

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Phyllis Schlafly (back to story)

January 14, 2003

U.S. Social Security for Mexicans?

Social Security, the so-called "third rail" of American politics, has just become more incendiary. The Bush administration is proposing a change that is even more controversial than offering younger workers the opportunity to invest a small percentage of their Social Security taxes.

Everybody knows that Social Security is facing a massive shortfall in a few years when the baby-boom generation starts to retire. Higher taxes, reduced benefits or allowing some measure of privatization are the alternatives that need to be worked out by bipartisan consensus.

The Bush administration has just thrown a monkey wrench into a harmonious solution. A deal is in the works to add to the bulging Social Security rolls many thousands of Mexicans who are working in the United States, both legally and illegally. This idea would be very costly to U.S. taxpayers. It's bad politics, it undermines the rule of law and it invites a new wave of illegals to come across our border in search of taxpayer benefits. Vicente Fox's success as Mexico's president is threatened by his country's terrible poverty. So he has a very ambitious plan to deal with it: export his poverty to the United States.

Fox encourages poor and desperate Mexicans to risk all kinds of hardships to cross the U.S. border illegally, often paying their life savings to a criminal "coyote," making a deal to transport illegal drugs or enduring life-threatening thirst in the Arizona desert. Fox even toyed with a plan to give them survival kits to ease their pain. If the illegal aliens manage to elude U.S. border guards and escape death on the highway in crowded vans or trucks driven by inexperienced drivers, many manage to land in various locations far away from Mexico, such as Colorado, Iowa or Georgia. They can then hope to get hired by a U.S. employer willing to close his eyes to how they got so far away from home.

Nevertheless, the illegals are told by Fox and other Mexican officials to "think Mexican" first and send as much as they can scrape out of their pitiful paychecks back to relatives in Mexico. According to a Pew Hispanic Center and Inter-American Development Bank report, Mexicans in the United States will send $13 billion this year to relatives in Mexico.

As soon as George W. Bush was elected president, Fox started pressuring him to legitimize the status of some 10 million illegal aliens who are in the United States, plus give amnesty to many illegals by reviving a loophole in an immigration law called 245(i). Those plans were sailing briskly until Sept. 11, the day that the American people woke up to the dangers of open borders, and Fox was forced to move to an incrementalist strategy.

Mexican consulates in the United States started issuing an identification card, called matricula consular, to Mexicans illegally living in our country. By definition, this card should prove that the holder is in the United States illegally, but it began to be accepted by police, banks and even driver's license offices in some states as though it were a valid ID. New York state and New York City, however, citing security reasons, just announced that they will not recognize the matricula consular as a valid identity card.

The deputy White House press secretary has just confirmed that the Social Security Administration has begun discussions with Mexico about an agreement to allow Mexicans to receive U.S. Social Security benefits. One plan is to allow Mexicans who were not employed in the United States long enough to collect U.S. Social Security benefits to count the time they worked in Mexico as part of the mandatory 10 years or 40 quarters.

The most expensive plan is to provide benefits to the estimated 5 million Mexicans who are working illegally in the United States after having supplied fake Social Security numbers to their employers.

"Our actuaries are working on the numbers," said Social Security spokesman Jim Courtney.

Acquiescing to Fox's demands would put hundreds of thousands of Mexicans onto the rolls of the U.S. Social Security system just as the first wave of baby boomers starts getting retirement checks. Already there is talk of an addition to the U.S. Embassy in Mexico City to handle 37,000 claims anticipated in the first year.

The Bush administration claims that these plans would promote "totalization" of U.S. and Mexican retirement systems and develop a positive relationship between the two countries. But offering Social Security benefits to people who knowingly violate U.S. immigration laws would create a powerful new incentive for more illegals to enter the United States. If foreigners work legally in the United States and pay Social Security taxes, they are entitled to receive the benefits they earned. But U.S. taxpayers should say "no" to Mexico's attempt to shift its social welfare burdens onto the U.S. taxpayers.

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To: MeeknMing; RJCogburn; summer; Dog; The Wizard; Robert A. Cook, PE; southerngrit; aristeides; ...
Support for Bush?
21 posted on 01/14/2003 7:03:27 AM PST by B4Ranch
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To: ET(end tyranny)
You ask, "Why,why, why?"

Have you heard about the exPresident, GHW Bush and the plans for a New World Order? Do a little research and it will become too clear for you to vote for our President again.

22 posted on 01/14/2003 7:17:06 AM PST by B4Ranch
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To: B4Ranch
The NWO will come about, assisted by Dems and Pubs. It isn't strickly a Bush thing. If you look at the roster of names on the CFR and other globalist groups you'll find both parties on it.
23 posted on 01/14/2003 7:34:27 AM PST by ET(end tyranny)
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To: MissAmericanPie
I think it's called "Compassionate Conservatism" ...

You're looking at it wrong. The "compassion" isn't for us.

24 posted on 01/14/2003 7:39:22 AM PST by SCalGal
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To: ET(end tyranny)
Where is the difference we use to see in the parties. Now, it's barely visible and fading daily.
25 posted on 01/14/2003 7:44:34 AM PST by B4Ranch
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To: B4Ranch
I don't know. But, I'm thinking seriously of just voting third party and let the votes fall they will. If we get a Dem president, so be it. I'm tired of voting for a RINO and still winding up with a Dem president. Either that or perhaps I just won't vote at all, but at least by voting for a third party candidate, it show discontent with the other two main party choices. I am not going to vote for someone that doesn't represent me, to do so, only makes them 'think' that we approve.
26 posted on 01/14/2003 7:58:07 AM PST by ET(end tyranny)
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To: B4Ranch
Where is the difference we use to see in the parties. Now, it's barely visible and fading daily.

That's because the differences between the two party cartel in DC are for the most part, inconsequential.....

27 posted on 01/14/2003 8:01:02 AM PST by Joe Hadenuf
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To: JohnHuang2
One plan is to allow Mexicans who were not employed in the United States long enough to collect U.S. Social Security benefits to count the time they worked in Mexico as part of the mandatory 10 years or 40 quarters.

It is asinine to extend these benefits to any non-citizens, especially illegals. For a system that is already bankrupt, it is economic lunacy to take into account time worked in Mexico as credits to the US system. If they have so much money to throw down a Mexican hole, why don’t they reduce our payroll tax, or change the retirement age back from to 65 from 67?

28 posted on 01/14/2003 8:08:38 AM PST by gubamyster
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To: John R. (Bob) Locke; PRND21
"The President has all but abandoned any sort of enforcement of our southern border, and you somehow feel GOOD about it?"

Don't waste your time with this one, John. PRND21 is a well-known apologist for illegal scumbag aliens.

Scouts out! Cavalry Ho!

29 posted on 01/14/2003 8:17:18 AM PST by wku man
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To: gubamyster
The Bush administration claims that these plans would promote "totalization" of U.S. and Mexican retirement systems and develop a positive relationship between the two countries.

Totalization of U.S. and Mexico.

30 posted on 01/14/2003 8:27:33 AM PST by ET(end tyranny)
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To: wku man
Is Bush going to ask Vincente Fox to be his running mate in the next election?
31 posted on 01/14/2003 8:29:57 AM PST by ET(end tyranny)
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To: John R. (Bob) Locke
The more moves he makes like this, the happier I am I voted for someone else.

If not-that-many more of us had voted the way you did, we'd be discussing the latest moves of President Al Gore.

32 posted on 01/14/2003 10:09:07 AM PST by newgeezer (Ted Kennedy's car has killed more people than my guns ever will.)
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To: B4Ranch
Thanks for the link...


33 posted on 01/14/2003 10:17:30 AM PST by MeekOneGOP (Just for grins: http://muffin.eggheads.org/images/funny/dogsmile.jpg)
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To: JohnHuang2
This is disgusting. Is he being blackmailed in some way by Fox of Mexico, or has he lost his mind? Will the spineless Congress speak up for America? God I hope so.
34 posted on 01/14/2003 11:15:34 AM PST by janetgreen
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To: madfly
Say what??? Even Clinton would have drawn the line at this point.
35 posted on 01/14/2003 11:28:24 AM PST by Paulie
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To: janetgreen
This is disgusting. Is he [Bush] being blackmailed in some way by Fox of Mexico, or has he lost his mind?

Good Question. I suggest that everyone reading this thread forward this article to Bill O'Reilly, Sean Hannity and as many in the conservative press (what's left of it) as they can.

Fox News Email List

36 posted on 01/14/2003 11:51:25 AM PST by WRhine
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To: WRhine
This is only the start folks. Consider this.

If thru this, a Mexican Worker is eligible for SSI benefits even though they haven't paid in enough to met the requirements that a American Citizen must have, their Spawn will also get the Benefits, monthly checks and a Prescription Drug Coverage Jorge Delano Bush is fighting to give em.

In the voice of Yakoff Smirnoff (sp?) WHAT A COUNTRY!

37 posted on 01/14/2003 12:08:43 PM PST by Area51
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To: Area51
bttt. This is bordering on treason.
38 posted on 01/14/2003 12:14:51 PM PST by WRhine
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To: JohnHuang2
The Mexicans regularly kill Guatemalans, Costa Ricans, etc... when they attempt to cross Mexico's southern border in an attempt to make it to the U.S. Apparently, Mexicans don't like when their southern neighbors compete for jobs here.

FWIW, I've had several contractors tell me that the Guatemalans outwork the Mexicans by a mile.

39 posted on 01/14/2003 12:25:31 PM PST by MattinNJ
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To: newgeezer
we'd be discussing the latest moves of President Al Gore.

When the enemy makes the moves at least you expect them because he is the enemy. The problem we have here is friendly fire. We will be just as dead.

40 posted on 01/14/2003 12:38:34 PM PST by Protagoras
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