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U.S. Social Security for Mexicans?
TownHall.com ^ | Tuesday, January 14, 2003 | by Phyllis Schlafly

Posted on 01/13/2003 9:27:20 PM PST by JohnHuang2

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Phyllis Schlafly (back to story)

January 14, 2003

U.S. Social Security for Mexicans?

Social Security, the so-called "third rail" of American politics, has just become more incendiary. The Bush administration is proposing a change that is even more controversial than offering younger workers the opportunity to invest a small percentage of their Social Security taxes.

Everybody knows that Social Security is facing a massive shortfall in a few years when the baby-boom generation starts to retire. Higher taxes, reduced benefits or allowing some measure of privatization are the alternatives that need to be worked out by bipartisan consensus.

The Bush administration has just thrown a monkey wrench into a harmonious solution. A deal is in the works to add to the bulging Social Security rolls many thousands of Mexicans who are working in the United States, both legally and illegally. This idea would be very costly to U.S. taxpayers. It's bad politics, it undermines the rule of law and it invites a new wave of illegals to come across our border in search of taxpayer benefits. Vicente Fox's success as Mexico's president is threatened by his country's terrible poverty. So he has a very ambitious plan to deal with it: export his poverty to the United States.

Fox encourages poor and desperate Mexicans to risk all kinds of hardships to cross the U.S. border illegally, often paying their life savings to a criminal "coyote," making a deal to transport illegal drugs or enduring life-threatening thirst in the Arizona desert. Fox even toyed with a plan to give them survival kits to ease their pain. If the illegal aliens manage to elude U.S. border guards and escape death on the highway in crowded vans or trucks driven by inexperienced drivers, many manage to land in various locations far away from Mexico, such as Colorado, Iowa or Georgia. They can then hope to get hired by a U.S. employer willing to close his eyes to how they got so far away from home.

Nevertheless, the illegals are told by Fox and other Mexican officials to "think Mexican" first and send as much as they can scrape out of their pitiful paychecks back to relatives in Mexico. According to a Pew Hispanic Center and Inter-American Development Bank report, Mexicans in the United States will send $13 billion this year to relatives in Mexico.

As soon as George W. Bush was elected president, Fox started pressuring him to legitimize the status of some 10 million illegal aliens who are in the United States, plus give amnesty to many illegals by reviving a loophole in an immigration law called 245(i). Those plans were sailing briskly until Sept. 11, the day that the American people woke up to the dangers of open borders, and Fox was forced to move to an incrementalist strategy.

Mexican consulates in the United States started issuing an identification card, called matricula consular, to Mexicans illegally living in our country. By definition, this card should prove that the holder is in the United States illegally, but it began to be accepted by police, banks and even driver's license offices in some states as though it were a valid ID. New York state and New York City, however, citing security reasons, just announced that they will not recognize the matricula consular as a valid identity card.

The deputy White House press secretary has just confirmed that the Social Security Administration has begun discussions with Mexico about an agreement to allow Mexicans to receive U.S. Social Security benefits. One plan is to allow Mexicans who were not employed in the United States long enough to collect U.S. Social Security benefits to count the time they worked in Mexico as part of the mandatory 10 years or 40 quarters.

The most expensive plan is to provide benefits to the estimated 5 million Mexicans who are working illegally in the United States after having supplied fake Social Security numbers to their employers.

"Our actuaries are working on the numbers," said Social Security spokesman Jim Courtney.

Acquiescing to Fox's demands would put hundreds of thousands of Mexicans onto the rolls of the U.S. Social Security system just as the first wave of baby boomers starts getting retirement checks. Already there is talk of an addition to the U.S. Embassy in Mexico City to handle 37,000 claims anticipated in the first year.

The Bush administration claims that these plans would promote "totalization" of U.S. and Mexican retirement systems and develop a positive relationship between the two countries. But offering Social Security benefits to people who knowingly violate U.S. immigration laws would create a powerful new incentive for more illegals to enter the United States. If foreigners work legally in the United States and pay Social Security taxes, they are entitled to receive the benefits they earned. But U.S. taxpayers should say "no" to Mexico's attempt to shift its social welfare burdens onto the U.S. taxpayers.

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Tuesday, January 14, 2003

Quote of the Day by pray4liberty

1 posted on 01/13/2003 9:27:20 PM PST by JohnHuang2
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To: JohnHuang2
The more moves he makes like this, the happier I am I voted for someone else.

When are the apologists going to wake up?

2 posted on 01/13/2003 9:29:10 PM PST by John R. (Bob) Locke
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To: John R. (Bob) Locke
When are the apologists going to wake up?

They did. Weeks ago. They were right.

3 posted on 01/13/2003 9:31:44 PM PST by PRND21
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To: AnnaZ; Mercuria
She'd make an excellent guest.
4 posted on 01/13/2003 9:33:05 PM PST by nunya bidness (Your ad here!)
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To: JohnHuang2; madfly
Our "Conservative" president strikes again...the ultimate solution of course is to pay all retired Americans in pesos
5 posted on 01/13/2003 9:34:45 PM PST by RnMomof7 (Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God)
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6 posted on 01/13/2003 9:35:11 PM PST by Mo1 (Join the DC Chapter at the Patriots Rally III on 1/18/03)
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To: John R. (Bob) Locke
The more moves he makes like this, the happier I am I voted for someone else

Relax, don't worry about it. It's being done by the Republicans, not the Democrats. It's OK.

7 posted on 01/13/2003 9:57:52 PM PST by templar
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To: templar
Thanks for clarifying. I feel SO much better when people on the "right" do evil things than when people on the "left" do.
8 posted on 01/13/2003 11:22:36 PM PST by John R. (Bob) Locke
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To: PRND21
They did. Weeks ago. They were right.

You're kidding, right?

The President has all but abandoned any sort of enforcement of our southern border, and you somehow feel GOOD about it?

Maybe we'd be better off if those folks went back to sleep...

9 posted on 01/13/2003 11:23:46 PM PST by John R. (Bob) Locke
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To: JohnHuang2
In all fairness, the first time I read of this, it would only have taken in those here "legally", i.e., who've paid into the system. Aside then from the notion that the system sucks anyway, if it goes to the illegal element, as a nation, we will have had it anyway, long before that.
10 posted on 01/13/2003 11:24:14 PM PST by onedoug
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To: JohnHuang2
"As soon as George W. Bush was elected president, Fox started pressuring him to legitimize the status of some 10 million illegal aliens who are in the United States"

I would like to know what has been going on behind the scenes by some elements in our government, especially what has been going on behind the scenes with Bush that Fox would feel so very comfortable and welcome in making his outrageous demands. Bush almost tripped getting to the airport and flying off to Mexico as his first act in office. What ever it is, it is anti-American, anti-Constitution, anti-sovereignty, and not very compassionate.

11 posted on 01/13/2003 11:33:38 PM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: MissAmericanPie
I agree with you. It just doesn't make any sense. Social Security to illegals? That's just another way to legalize them.

It must be some morbid scheme to get votes or resources or something from Mexico. In terms of US citizens, why ?? It's just incomprehensible that cheap labor and resources are more important than the integrity of the US as a nation and the well-being of citizens are.

12 posted on 01/13/2003 11:53:30 PM PST by grania
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To: MissAmericanPie
Bump for your good perspective. bttt
13 posted on 01/14/2003 12:00:26 AM PST by WatchNKorea
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To: Free the USA; B4Ranch; Tancredo Fan; Fish out of Water; seamole; Ajnin; agitator; Tancred; ...
ping
14 posted on 01/14/2003 4:02:35 AM PST by madfly
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To: MissAmericanPie
The Bush administration has just thrown a monkey wrench into a harmonious solution. A deal is in the works to add to the bulging Social Security rolls many thousands of Mexicans who are working in the United States, both legally and illegally. This idea would be very costly to U.S. taxpayers. It's bad politics, it undermines the rule of law and it invites a new wave of illegals to come across our border in search of taxpayer benefits.

It just keeps getting worse and worse..... absolutely disgusting!

15 posted on 01/14/2003 4:16:05 AM PST by ET(end tyranny)
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To: grania
Why indeed? Why crops up a lot when dealing with illegals. Why not close the border? Why give free tax payer benefits? Now, why SS? Why, why, why?
16 posted on 01/14/2003 4:45:01 AM PST by ET(end tyranny)
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To: madfly; glock rocks
Ladies, call your hair stylist, the time for a Tea Party is getting closer and closer.
17 posted on 01/14/2003 5:59:31 AM PST by B4Ranch
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To: B4Ranch
"37,000" applicants my hind end, this stat comes from the people who predicted NAFTA would be a net increase in jobs. Our embassy will be flooded with people with claims and there exists a ready made ethnic lobby in this country that will make sure they are not "dicriminated" against.
18 posted on 01/14/2003 6:07:50 AM PST by junta
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To: grania
I think it's called "Compassionate Conservatism" a misnomer that I want no part of.
19 posted on 01/14/2003 6:18:38 AM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: B4Ranch
Ladies, call your hair stylist, the time for a Tea Party is getting closer and closer.

I think you're right. I'll bring chips & soda.

20 posted on 01/14/2003 6:55:21 AM PST by Spiff
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