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NASA Unsure of How to Counter the 'Moon Hoax'
The Associated Press ^ | January 5th 2003 | MARCIA DUNN

Posted on 01/05/2003 5:06:37 PM PST by ContentiousObjector

CAPE CANAVERAL, Fla. -- Is that the moon or a studio in the Nevada desert? How can the flag flutter when there's no wind on the moon? Why can't we see stars in the moon-landing pictures?

For three decades, NASA has taken the high road, ignoring those who claimed the Apollo moon landings were faked and part of a colossal government conspiracy.

The claims and suspicious questions such as the ones cited here mostly showed up in books and on the Internet. But last year's prime-time Fox TV special on the so-called "moon hoax" prompted schoolteachers and others to plead with NASA for factual ammunition to fight back.

So a few months ago, the space agency budgeted $15,000 to hire a former rocket scientist and author to produce a small book refuting the disbelievers' claims. It would be written primarily with teachers and students in mind.

The idea backfired, however, embarrassing the space agency for responding to ignorance, and the book deal was chucked.

"The issue of trying to do a targeted response to this is just lending credibility to something that is, on its face, asinine," NASA chief Sean O'Keefe said in late November after the dust settled.

So it's back to square one -- ignoring the hoaxers. That's troubling to some scientific experts who contend that someone needs to lead the fight against scientific illiteracy and the growing belief in pseudoscience such as aliens and astrology.

Someone like NASA.
"If they don't speak out, who will?" asks Melissa Pollak, a senior analyst at the National Science Foundation.

Author James Oberg will. The former space shuttle flight controller plans to write the book NASA commissioned from him even though the agency pulled the plug. He is seeking money elsewhere. His working title: "A Pall Over Apollo."

Tom Hanks will speak out, too.
The Academy Award-winning actor, who starred in the 1995 movie "Apollo 13" and later directed the HBO miniseries "From the Earth to the Moon," is working on another lunar-themed project. The IMAX documentary will feature Apollo archival footage. Its title: "Magnificent Desolation," astronaut Buzz Aldrin's real-time description of the moon on July 20, 1969.

While attending the Cape Canaveral premiere of the IMAX version of "Apollo 13" in November, Hanks said the film industry has a responsibility to promote historical literacy. He took a jab at the 1978 movie "Capricorn One," which had NASA's first manned mission to Mars being faked on a sound stage.

"We live in a society where there is no law in making money in the promulgation of ignorance or, in some cases, stupidity," Hanks said. "There are a lot of things you can say never happened. You can go as relatively quasi-harmless as saying no one went to the moon. But you also can say that the Holocaust never happened."

A spokesman for the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum in Washington says there will always be those who will not be convinced. But the museum does not engage them in debate.

The spokesman acknowledges, however, that if a major news channel was doing a program that questioned the authenticity of the Holocaust, "I'd certainly want to inject myself into the debate with them in a very forceful way."

Television's Fox Network was the moon-hoax purveyor. In February 2001 and again a month later, Fox broadcast an hourlong program titled "Conspiracy Theory: Did We Land on the Moon?"

Roger Launius, who agreed to Oberg's book just before leaving NASA's history office, says the story about the moon hoax has been around a long time. But the Fox show "raised it to a new level, it gave it legs and credibility that it didn't have before."

Indeed, the National Science Foundation's Pollak says two of her colleagues, after watching the Fox special, thought it was possible that NASA faked the moon landings. "These are people who work at NSF," she stresses.

The story went -- and still goes -- something like this: America was desperate to beat the Soviet Union in the high-stakes race to the moon, but lacked the technology to pull it off. So NASA faked the six manned moon landings in a studio somewhere out West.

Ralph Rene, a retired carpenter in Passaic, N.J., takes it one step farther. The space fakery started during the Gemini program, according to Rene, author of the 1992 book, NASA Mooned America!

"I don't know what real achievements they've done because when do you trust a liar?" Rene says. "I know we have a shuttle running right around above our heads, but that's only 175 miles up. It's under the shield. You cannot go through the shield and live."

He is talking, of course, about the radiation shield.

Alex Roland, a NASA historian during the 1970s and early 1980s, says his office used to have "a kook drawer" for such correspondence and never took it seriously. But there were no prime-time TV shows disputing the moon landings then -- and no Internet.

Still, Roland would be inclined to "just let it go because you'll probably just make it worse by giving it any official attention."

Within NASA, opinions were split about a rebuttal book. Oberg, a Houston-based author of 12 books, mostly about the Russian space program, said ignoring the problem "just makes this harder. To a conspiracy mind, refusing to respond is a sign of cover-up."

Apollo 13 commander Jim Lovell does not know what else, if anything, can be done to confront this moon madness.

"All I know is that somebody sued me because I said I went to the moon," says the 74-year-old astronaut. "Of course, the courts threw it out."

The authorities also threw out the case involving Apollo 11 moonwalker Aldrin in September.

A much bigger and younger man was hounding the 72-year-old astronaut in Beverly Hills, Calif., calling him "a coward, a liar and a thief" and trying to get him to swear on a Bible, on camera, that he walked on the moon. Aldrin, a Korean War combat pilot, responded with a fist in the chops.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Political Humor/Cartoons; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: apollo; crevolist; fox; istheantichrist; moonhoax; nasa; rupertmurdoch; russia
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To: rovenstinez
Make another trip, write graffitti on some rocks in large letters, big enough for little boys and girls to see with binoculars, and no one will question it again.

"Frodo Lives!", "Keel the Gringos!", or do we get some gangbangers to spray "Crips" and "Bloods"?

41 posted on 01/05/2003 5:53:14 PM PST by ABG(anybody but Gore)
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To: JesseShurun
Why can't Hubble see it? Is it in the correct orbit? Is it able to focus at Moon-type distances?

Coordinates, and Earth-based telescopes should be able to do it.

42 posted on 01/05/2003 5:56:06 PM PST by Frohickey
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To: GovernmentShrinker
One problem, some of those who claim the moon landing was a hoax believe no one could pass through the Van Allan radiation belt and live, so they would be convinced it was a death trip if they left earth orbit.
43 posted on 01/05/2003 5:56:43 PM PST by The Obstinate Insomniac
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To: abner
I heard today that the Soviet shuttle is up for sale and can be had for approximately 6 million dollars

Not positive but I'm pretty sure that that one for sale is the Buran equivalent of the Enterprise Shuttle. Full scale mock up but non-functional interior.

44 posted on 01/05/2003 5:57:36 PM PST by Centurion2000
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To: ContentiousObjector
"If they don't speak out, who will?" asks Melissa Pollak, a senior analyst at the National Science Foundation.

Um, how about the National Science Foundation? Last I checked, manipulating public opinion was not in NASA's mission statement.

45 posted on 01/05/2003 5:58:05 PM PST by Timesink
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To: ContentiousObjector
Actually, it's screen captures from post-ascent footage taken by the same camera that recorded the ascent of the upper half of the lunar module. You can get the ascent and post-ascent footage here:

http://homepage.mac.com/casewright/essays/apollo.html
46 posted on 01/05/2003 6:00:10 PM PST by Tennessee_Bob
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To: abner
We're building a Space Shuttle and Taxman is going to be the crew chief!

I don't know how cool the balloon will be, but that is without a doubt the coolest flash intro I've ever seen.

47 posted on 01/05/2003 6:00:17 PM PST by DouglasKC
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To: Centurion2000
I thought it was the 3rd of the Burans, and functional. Its so easy to get any of them mixed up, they all look pretty much the same...
48 posted on 01/05/2003 6:00:38 PM PST by abner
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To: DouglasKC
I don't know how cool the balloon will be, but that is without a doubt the coolest flash intro I've ever seen.

Thanks. Our pilot for the shuttle did that. He is incredibly talented. LOL!

The balloon will be as cool or cooler. I guarantee it.

49 posted on 01/05/2003 6:01:57 PM PST by abner
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To: Tennessee_Bob
There are some similar Apollo images, however these ones are Russian, there was no Apollo cameras that far away in the first image.

I could capture more,

50 posted on 01/05/2003 6:02:28 PM PST by ContentiousObjector
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To: Frohickey
Couldn't the people that believe that its a moo hoax just buy telescopes, and ask NASA where to look?

There's no telescope in existence with the required magnification to make out such tiny objects on the moon.

51 posted on 01/05/2003 6:03:01 PM PST by Timesink
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To: Gracey

You may find this interesting


52 posted on 01/05/2003 6:03:30 PM PST by Fiddlstix
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To: Frohickey
Why can't Hubble see it? Is it in the correct orbit? Is it able to focus at Moon-type distances?

Snarfed from another web site:

Size of Lunar Module.   Let's be really generous and say 10m square.
Distance between Hubble and Moon.  About 350, 000km.
This works out as an visual angle of     (10m)/(3.5 x 10^8m) * (180/PI) = 1.6 x 10^-6 degrees = 6 milliarcseconds.
The WFPC2 'telescope' on Hubble has the following resolution:   800x800 pixels of a 35 arcseconds field of view with a pixel scale of 46 milliarcseconds.   Actually resolution in practice is a little below this.

So what does this all mean?  Well, roughly speaking, it means that the LM would have to be 15 times larger before it would even cause a dot on a Hubble picture.

Quite simple, really.
53 posted on 01/05/2003 6:06:52 PM PST by Timesink
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To: ContentiousObjector
So, basically you're saying that Lunokhod 2 was there at the launch site at the time of launch? Pretty impressive, especially when you consider that Apollo 17 was December 7 - 11 December 1972, and Lunokhod 2 didn't make the moon until January 15, 1973.

BTW, I'm sitting here, running through the footage, and can get the exact same caps you've got, along with the perspective and shadows. This was a camera set up to record the launch.
54 posted on 01/05/2003 6:07:21 PM PST by Tennessee_Bob
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To: ContentiousObjector
Aldrin, a Korean War combat pilot, responded with a fist in the chops.

Atta-boy, Buzz! :^)

55 posted on 01/05/2003 6:08:38 PM PST by Aracelis
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To: Frohickey
Oh yeah, almost forgot:
The wavelength of visible light is around 550x10^-9m  (i.e. very very small).
The diameter of Hubble's mirror is 2.4m.
Highest ever physically possible resolution  = 1.4 x 550 x 10^-9 /2.4 m = 3.2 x 10^-7 radians
At a distance of 350,000km this works out as about 124 metres.    As Ed says, roughly the size of a football field.

56 posted on 01/05/2003 6:08:55 PM PST by Timesink
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To: ContentiousObjector
Thank you very much for posting these photos!
57 posted on 01/05/2003 6:09:59 PM PST by Aracelis
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To: ContentiousObjector
Luna 21 which contained the Lunokhod 2 rover landed in
LeMonnier crater at 25.85 degrees N, 30.45 degrees E.

Apollo 17 landed at Taurus-Littrow 20.19 N, 30.77 E

58 posted on 01/05/2003 6:10:20 PM PST by ASA Vet
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To: Tennessee_Bob
Huh?

What is in the picture is the lower stage of the lander that was left behind, it was there when the Russians explored the area and it is still there now.

Those captures are from a russian video,

59 posted on 01/05/2003 6:10:50 PM PST by ContentiousObjector
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To: PatrickHenry
Thanks, PatrickHenry.

How could anyone think NASA capable of pulling off a fraud so large over 30 years. With the whole world there to catch it.

We know that a good geologist can tell a moon rock from an Earth rock.
842 pounds of moon rocks are being analyzed today by dozens of countries around the world.
Are they all in on the fraud?

Every clear night the Cote d'Azur Observatory in France uses the three mirror-prism retro-reflector arrays placed by Apollo on the moon for laser distance data taking.
So, is France in on the fraud also?

Telescopes all over the Earth photographed the return launches from the moon by Apollo (six missions).
Are they all in on the fraud?

This is tinfoil hat time... big time.
60 posted on 01/05/2003 6:11:15 PM PST by edwin hubble
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