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It should be interesting to watch some RINOs squirm since the ban sunsets just before the November '04 elections.

Will the Republicans throw it all away again in 2004?

Opinions?

1 posted on 01/04/2003 7:39:01 PM PST by Jed Eckert
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To: *bang_list
bang
2 posted on 01/04/2003 7:42:01 PM PST by Mulder
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To: *bang_list
Bang!
3 posted on 01/04/2003 7:42:29 PM PST by Travis McGee
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To: Jed Eckert
Will the Republicans throw it all away again in 2004?

If the past is any indicator, yes.

4 posted on 01/04/2003 8:01:39 PM PST by ActionNewsBill
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To: Jed Eckert
decimal point correction... 17 of 7500 is 0.23%, not 0.0023%
7 posted on 01/04/2003 8:20:06 PM PST by Teacher317
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To: Jed Eckert
The demonization of so-called "assault weapons" has already begun. For the last month the Brady Bunch and the VPC have made it a point to dig out any police report where an "assault weapon" or anything the looks like one was either used or found or even MIGHT have been used in a crime.
11 posted on 01/04/2003 8:28:50 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants
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To: Jed Eckert
Predictions:

You will not write a letter to your Congressman and to your Senators; whereas the soccer moms will.
The law will be renewed in 2004.
The President will sign it.
You will vote for the Republican candidate anyway.

12 posted on 01/04/2003 8:29:46 PM PST by FreedomCalls
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To: Jed Eckert
The resulting public outcry among the gun-owning community of the United States galvanized the gun lobby, and has contributed to the outcomes of every subsequent election. Ironically, this law may prove to be the beginning of a marked trend that unifies gun owners as a more homogenous voting block than ever before.

Unintended consequences.

Looking at the crime figures, it would apear that almost no one except the law abiding own, or ever have owned, 'assault weapons'.

13 posted on 01/04/2003 8:31:53 PM PST by templar
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To: Jed Eckert
It's up to us. When the proponents to arm the pilots became vocal, no one expected it to ever happen. At the moment, the pilots are going through a "trial stage" to see if it works but it is a baby step in the right direction.

If the gunowners sit and wait until 2004 to see how their representatives vote on the bill, we already lost. We have to start now and we have to get all the gun groups working together.
14 posted on 01/04/2003 8:32:49 PM PST by Shooter 2.5
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To: Jed Eckert
Our best bet is with the House. If the House never brings it up to vote, the Senate won't dare bring it to a vote for fear of being left out on a limb. However, if it ever hits the presidents desk, he will sign it. And all the rabid Bush supporters will marvel at his prowness as he screws us in order to "steal another DemocRat issue".

17 posted on 01/04/2003 8:36:35 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants
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To: Jed Eckert
Will the Republicans throw it all away again in 2004?

The signals of whether the GOP will fumble this issue are mixed. I'll comment on a few of them.

The sad fact is that President Bush campaigned as someone who would rarely do anything that would make Katie Couric put on her little frowny face. Personally, I think the more often the little wench is upset, the more often America is moving in the right direction. Unfortunately, we have a president who wants people like her to say that he is "reasonable." I like President Bush in many ways, but I've thought for a long time that he was being far too accommodating of our enemies on gun control. (See This is Julie for my first writing criticizing him on this issue.) If the media puts pressure on him to reenact the ban and make it permanent, he will likely pressure the GOP Congress to pass the ban again.

The danger in supporting the ban for him is that he wouldn't be president today without the votes of many gun owners who thought he was better than Algore even if he didn't seem the staunchest of allies. He'll have much more support in 2004 from people who vote for the incumbents without thinking, but he probably won't be so secure that he can lose one of his key constituencies. If he signs the ban just before the election, he will demoralize many people who had supported him. If he demoralizes these people just before the election, he could still lose just as his father did.

For Congressional Republicans, the issue is trickier. They don't have the momentum and widespread unthinking support that a president will have. They will be facing many more voters back home who pay attention to things. If they support a ban, they will demoralize many of their supporters and will almost certainly lose.

For Congressional Democrats, the issue might even be trickier. There are many Democrats who represent relatively conservative, rural areas. Some of them originally supported the ban in '94 and almost lost that year because of that support. Some of them have recently won elections against Republicans who beat a Democrat in '94 because that Democrat supported the ban. They may be caught between voters to whom they promised respect for the Second Amendment and a party that is demanding their support of a permanent ban. They could be in trouble either way.

If there were any issue that could lead to the formation of a successful third party in 2006, this could be the one. If the GOP passes the ban, it will lose much of its support. Some people will quit voting for GOP candidates. Others might still vote for them but will not volunteer or contribute. Democrats who kept their promise to voters and voted against the ban may find themselves without good committee assignments or party support as the party takes revenge. Those who voted for the ban will have a hard time keeping the votes that kept them in office.

With both parties facing that vulnerability, a third party could make some progress. It would need to oppose gun control without seeming to advocate that everyone should carry M-16's down the street. It would need to oppose taxes but in a moderate way. It would need to be open to people from both sides of the abortion issue but generally lean pro-life. I think it would need to be strong against illegal immigration without appearing isolationist.

I Resolve for a Free New Year
Bill

18 posted on 01/04/2003 8:38:10 PM PST by WFTR
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To: Jed Eckert
Will the Republicans throw it all away again in 2004?

Without a doubt. The gop congress will pass the ban extension easily, and Bush will proudly sign it.

After all they're not conservatives, they're just republicans.

And what will you do about it....vote democrat?

Regards

J.R.

21 posted on 01/04/2003 8:41:35 PM PST by NMC EXP
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To: Jed Eckert
In 1996, due to successful lobbying by gun owners nationwide, the house voted 239 to 173 to repeal the Assault Weapons Ban as ineffective. [10] The bill was then allowed to die in the Democrat controlled Senate and the Assault Weapons Ban stood.

The Senate was controlled by Republicans in 1996, but not by enough votes to override a Clinton veto.

22 posted on 01/04/2003 8:44:07 PM PST by Paleo Conservative
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To: Jed Eckert
Northeastern Republicans - New York, New Jersey, Maryland, Masachusetts, Vermont, Maine, will support it again.

Southern and western Republicans and some southern and western Democrats may not.

It all hangs on the narrow thread of the nest retarded lunatic who decides to use a firearm to cause mayhem and how successful he may be.
23 posted on 01/04/2003 8:49:44 PM PST by ZULU
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To: Jed Eckert
Bump
To read later
29 posted on 01/04/2003 9:04:50 PM PST by Fiddlstix
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To: Jed Eckert
Excellent recap of the "AW" & "Hi-Cap Mag." bans.
Not as detailed as possible, but very readable and brief enough to keep a readers attention.

Tactically I think we will have no choice but to ensure the "Bans" die NEXT YEAR!

All of the same lying seditionist who imposed this nonsense on us from the beginning have already launched their campaign to to make it permanent, as early as possible in this new session.

They want to push it's permanent extension early for the same reason we need to defeat it early, to minimize it's possible negative impact on "Our" candidates in the next election!

If this decision lingers until late in the session ('04) it will become a political "hot potato", polarizing voters and providing ample fodder for hype and hysterics by the liberals and anti RKBA forces.

Congress is "braver" early in the session, as the next election is farther away and many voters memories are short.
As the author points out, this has become less true of RKBA supporters than of the liberals and majority of voters who really have no opinion of their own outside what the media dictate.

Personally, this issue will define who I vote for in the next election, if Bush allows this garbage to be extended he WILL lose my vote!

It is imperative that we make sure all conservative office holders and future candidates understand that they CANNOT take second amendment supporters votes for granted, the bans MUST die.

It is time for RKBA supporters to go on the offensive, we will never gain our right back only fighting from a defensive position.
31 posted on 01/04/2003 9:13:28 PM PST by Richard-SIA
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To: Jed Eckert
Bump
35 posted on 01/04/2003 9:37:50 PM PST by arly
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To: Jed Eckert
It should be interesting to watch some RINOs squirm since the ban sunsets just before the November '04 elections.

Not if Free Republic has something to do about it.

Let us have destiny in our control. We need to start to put pressure on Congress NOW!!!!

That way, Republicans will know that we are serious and that if they chose to do the wrong thing in 2004, they will lose the majority status that they worked so long and hard to attain it.

Then, Republicans would know that we are a serious force to reckon with and that they would do what we want them to do.

No more ban on Assault Weapons!

The Republicans are politicans, they want to stay in power more than anything else.

53 posted on 01/04/2003 11:33:27 PM PST by MinorityRepublican
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To: Jed Eckert
bttt
74 posted on 01/05/2003 7:21:09 PM PST by PatrioticAmerican
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To: Jed Eckert
Bookmarked!

Be sure to show this again before the election of 2004.

88 posted on 01/09/2003 11:12:33 AM PST by MinorityRepublican (I am new to this tag thing)
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To: Jed Eckert
This Assault Weapons Ban of 1994 needs to go. It is absolutely rediculous.

I have a magazine extension that adds a one round extra capacity to a glock magazine. If I put this on my ten round magazine that makes the capacity eleven rounds, I have just committed a felony. It is a felony to modify a firearm magazine to hold merely one more round than a ten round magazine! What exactly makes the 11th round so evil that I could go to prison for it?! Answer: FEDERAL REGULATIONS of the Assault Weapons Ban of 1994. Of course the police can have magazines that hold eleven rounds or more because we know that no cop is a bad cop.

You can bet I will be writing Senators and George Bush about this one. I will not vote for George Bush or anyone who votes to renew this totalitarian ban on firearms.

89 posted on 01/24/2003 3:40:30 PM PST by 2nd_Amendment_Defender
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