Immigration: Where is the OUTRAGE??

The Sierra Times ^ | Dec. 20, 2002 | Jackie Juntti

[nanny]

Does it make any difference? Please explain.

Not to me - but you started it so I just guessed it mattered to you. So, since you started it - I'll bite - does it make any difference?

[Mr. Mojo]

You need to accept that the world is not perfect. Mexicans are not the cause of our problems.

I'm aware of both points all too well, but I must say that a certain Mexican (my girlfriend) is causing me some big problems right now (about my being on the internet for too long). Perhaps we'll pick up on the economics of the problem another time. Adios.

[nicollo]

Make your point or don't. Just don't bore me. (You decide which is the worst sin)

Oh, about those judges... Power to the people! Ain't that the California way? Or do suck up to Federal judges, too?

Ooops, they doooo... Pauvre California, dependiente de Washington.

[JackelopeBreeder]

I don't think anyone here is trying to ban legal Mexican immigration. You claim to be Mexican and your profile flies a flag from Maryland. How precious. I'm in Cochise County, Arizona.

I am what the leftie press is calling a militia member, vigilante, or member of a lynch mob. Guess what, pendejo? I spent my afternoon and evening with a GPS and night vision scope looking for illegals.

Do you want to know why?

I don't hate Mexicans; 30% of my neighbors are Mexican-American. I like Mexican people, Mexican food, Mexican alcohol, and Mexican architecture. Thousands of Mexicans cross from Agua Prieta and Naco every day -- legally -- to work, shop, visit relatives, whatever. Not a problem. I do the same thing going south. Agua Prieta has a couple of kickass nightclubs I really like.

Unfortunately, we have thousands of illegals passing through on a daily basis and they are trashing MY home and costing ME money. Between 30 and 40% of our county budget ends up being spent on cleaning up after these bozos, covering their damn health care, and locking their sorry asses up for the crimes they get caught at in the short time it takes them to reach I-10 and disperse.

But do you really want to know what frosts my balls? I like camping and hiking. I live in the middle of some of Arizona's best camping and hiking country. Large parts of it are effectively closed to me because of the coyotes and the drug smugglers. We have a large number of bear and mountain lion here, but I sweat them a lot less than the two-legged scum with the guns. I really hate having the Fuentes or Arrelano-Felix families dictating where I can or can't go in my own country.

I don't know, man. Maybe your heart is in the right place and you're caught up in all the goofy rhetoric from doofuses far removed from the problem. For me, a Chicano unfairly attacked has me at his left shoulder. A Chicana has my support until I'm dead.

[nicollo]

Good luck on your international relations. My bet is that Mexico wins this one! Mexicanas always do.

[nicollo]

If you don't think it makes any difference, then why does it bother you to say? I guess, then, it does.

Since you're being so fair about it, here's your answer: it should. Do you want Mexicans formulating U.S. policy? Lol!

[JackelopeBreeder]

After reading your later posts, you and I have to get together at the Metro in Agua Prieta. Get out of the People's Republic of Maryland while your soul is still your own...

[nicollo]

Thank God for a reasonable post here.

No, I'm no Mexican. I just wanted to see what that would provoke. Folks 'round here are too easily moved. I was hoping for something like this, which you finally gave.

Living at the border, you ought to know, as much as I do, in Montgomery County, MD, well along the front lines of immigration. As a joke, we used to sneak into the kitchen of local restaurants and yell, "MIGRA!" They'd bust out the back door leaving my filet mignon on the burner... Damn.

You live on the real front lines of this issue. I hate to tell you, but that aint' gonna change until you move to Maine. Then again, you might end up in a fight with the African immigrants in Lewiston...

People here have been trying mighty hard to reject that anti-immigration is not anti-non-white. They object to this characterization, saying that they object to Mexicanization, or to a loss of their own culture (they don't say this). They try too hard. My problem with all this is that the anti-immigrants reject their own -- my own -- culture by saying that immigrants are not welcome here. I'm sorry, but you can't swing a cat in my town, or cut a lawn, without a latin immigrant. Try getting a cab. The fact is that America needs, depends upon and requires immigrant labor. Look at the post above about labor unions trying to incorporate illegals. That can only mean that illegals are encroaching upon them. I don't give a damn for unions any more than for immigrants. They can all fight it out for themselves in the great American marketplace and culture.

My problem is with people who reject that America is too small. That's a fallacy and a pessimism and defeatism I do not accept. I reject it. I loathe it.

I'm sorry for your personal pain in all this. We must keep the pressure on the border. But we mustn't lose sight that it won't succeed. At the same time, if we don't keep up the pressure, we lose completely. I think you understand this.

Ironically, I like this voice of the anti-immigrants. It keeps the "anything goes" crowd in line. I'd like to see a bit more enlightenment around here. We can play both sides of the game, or I'm in the wrong place.

Thank you, JacklopeBreeder, for your post. It was the most thoughtful here yet.

[Salvation]

And Frist is weak on immigration. I really don't think he will be selected as SML.

[nicollo]

I was just in your area this summer. Had a wonderful drive through. God's land.

I'll call you next time.

[Robert Lomax]

One other reason for the national sales tax. Illegal immigrants will then have the opportunity to paying taxes.

[Brownie74]

I sometimes wonder if this whole Mid East adventure (seeing we do not look for osma any more) isn't being used as a cover for the REAL agenda..a united hemisphere?

BINGO!!

You nailed it.

[Dust in the Wind]

Some things change over time. Approved last month. The discussion on this thread is still about ILLEGAL intruders. I haven't had time to read the whole thread yet, I'm hoping this hasn't been posted yet.

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[austinTparty]

Lookee here:

Their elected representatives are ignoring the wishes of the majority, but to their own peril.

Typical confusion of this republic for a democracy. Democracy is nothing but mob rule and a tool of populist demagogues. A little tidbit just to throw some gasoline on the fire: in the Dixiecrat South, a majority were for segregation of the races (parenthetically, race, anthropologically speaking, is in and of itself a false concept)--I suppose that means that, according to the speaker of the above-noted sentence, we should have continued and enforced miscegenation laws. As for me, to hell with democracy and give me LIBERTY instead!

[FITZ]

One other reason for the national sales tax. Illegal immigrants will then have the opportunity to paying taxes.

We need to get rid of both the income tax and the property tax because fewer and fewer people are paying any taxes. Illegals making $10 an hour or even $5 are actually doing much better than a citizen who gets much of that taken out in Social Security and other taxes. They expect all the benefits but don't wish to pay. The sales tax could mean current taxpayers could pay less because more people would be paying in.

[Happy2BMe]

"Fox was elected to improve Mexico which he has not done, therefore millions of his citizens are trying to escape the horrible conditions there."

Fox thinks he is holding Bush over a barrel with his influence over how Mexican-Americans will vote.

He may have something.

Why else would he demand monetary entitlements from the U.S. (e.g., $1 billion in social security payments to Mexican nationals) - AND GET IT!?

[FITZ]

Btw, I'm Mexican

If you're a Mexican, why don't you fix up your own government so Mexico can be a country where people would want to live? To me there's no excuse for some people in your country to live so high on the hog and others can't be paid enough to eat. Your country is very wealthy in natural resources and to me there is no excuse whatsoever for the dire poverty that starts just south of the Rio Grande.

[austinTparty]

You're right, Nicollo. A post that makes sense! Mil gracias, JB.

Coyotes deserve all the hell they get. The Mexican government's systemic corruption is 99.9% responsible for most of the problems; Mexico is a country with vast natural resources, which if it actually operated under rule of law, not rule of bribery, would do just fine for itself, shutting off the taps of illegal immigration and eliminating the disgusting practice of leaving Americans to foot their emergency healthcare bills. But Lord knows how or whether that will ever happen.

N: As for those who argue that America is too small to accept immigrants, and that there aren't enough jobs have fallen into the trap of the French socialists who argued for the 35 hour work week. Such arguments are predicated on the mistaken notion that there is a finite number of jobs, which can merely be re- and re-distributed, ignoring economic reality that the key to prosperity is expanding the economy. And of course the key to expanding the economy lies less in the Keynesian model of consumer spending, and more on the supply-side model, where restrictions on capital are loosened and entrepreneurship creates jobs. And that supply-side model is dependent upon the free flow of goods and services, Americans sending their products overseas and importing those products which can be more cheaply produced abroad, passing the savings on to the American consumer, who then has an increased standard of living, and a lower cost of living (yes, this is a simplified version of the whole thing, but a 10-volume set explaining it clearly could be written on the subject). The market is really a beautiful thing. As for not having enough "room"--this country is nowhere NEAR the most densely populated.

I dunno, I am a Reaganite who believes in the promise of America, and the vision of the shining city on the hill, and I also reject as loathsome and anti-American those who would believe we must batten down the hatches, close up shop and hide. America is bigger, better and bolder than that.

[FITZ]

Why else would he demand monetary entitlements from the U.S. (e.g., $1 billion in social security payments to Mexican nationals) - AND GET IT!?

I know that's amazing ---Bush actually wants to extend out welfare programs into Mexico ----he spoke of saving Social Security but if he does this, he just killed it. I don't know of too many American taxpayers who can really afford to pay a big tax hike to accomplish this. And Fox isn't going to stop with demanding Social Security, he's going to then demand Food Stamps, TANF and all the other handout programs. It's not fair that only his citizens living in the US get in on them, the ones living in Mexico need them too.

[Reaganwuzthebest]

I dunno, I am a Reaganite who believes in the promise of America, and the vision of the shining city on the hill, and I also reject as loathsome and anti-American those who would believe we must batten down the hatches, close up shop and hide. America is bigger, better and bolder than that.

Ronald Reagan also said a country without borders isn't a country. Part of his 1986 amnesty bill included 5000 additional guards to seal the border and employer sanctions to enforce laws against hiring of illegal aliens.

His "shining city on the hill" was meant for legal immigrants, not anyone who could crawl across the borders in the middle of the night. He was against illegal immigration, so please, don't try to rewrite history to suit your big-business, Wall St. Journal, Cato Institute agenda. Or maybe its your liberal, Dick Gephardt one.