Posted on 12/20/2002 9:19:45 AM PST by PatrickHenry
Although it was discovered less than 40 years ago, the cosmic microwave background (CMB) radiation has been around a lot longer than that. A relic from the early days of the Universe more than 14 billion years ago, the CMB is the oldest radiation on record. Current cosmological models posit that the CMB should be slightly polarized but this property has never been observed--until now. Researchers have successfully detected the CMB's polarization and found that it agrees with the theoretical estimates.
Erik Leitch and John Kovac of the University of Chicago and their colleagues used the Degree Angular Scale Interferometer (DASI), which is located at the Amundsen-Scott South Pole Station, to study the CMB radiation. Over a two-year period, this array of radio telescopes collected radiation signals coming from deep space in two patches of blank sky. The resulting 271 days worth of useable data revealed the light's polarization (the direction in which the light's field oscillates as it travels toward an observer on the ground). Writing in the journal Nature, the scientists report that the CMB radiation's level and spatial distribution are in excellent agreement with the predictions of the standard theory. "If the light hadn't been polarized, that would mean that we would have to throw out our whole model of how we understand the physics of the early universe," Leitch notes. In an accompanying commentary, Matias Zaldarriaga of New York University calls the findings "both a remarkable technical achievement and a wonderful consistency check for the theory."
However, the most incredible part of this is the fact that after their conversion these ex-evolutionists have replaced what they knew about the Theory of Evolution with some comic book version thereof, because if they really were evolutionists back then, I simply cannot believe that they held the same views about the ToE as they do now.
I see. This person used to be an "evolutionist" but then "got smart?" Hmmmm?
If that was the understanding of evolution they used to accept, you have to wonder what they were using for brains when they thought they were "evolutionists."
Still, you've got to give them credit for rejecting such lunacy [tuna transforming themselves into tigers]. Now if they'll just be bold enough to take the next step, and use their intelligence to reject creationism, which is just as goofy as the bogus version of evolution they claim they believed, they can make some genuine intellectual progress by learning about the real theory of evolution.
Aw man! I didn't get YOU anything for Christmas!!
Perhaos you would like to revise your reference or bible version?
Or did you just make this up? Even Babs couldn't get away with faux-Shakespeare.
It simply is not the case that there was a big ball of matter that spontaneously exploded out into an infinite and existing space. If that's what you think you are debunking, you are debunking only your own misunderstanding of it. The expansion was (is) of space and time itself, and not of matter into space. The matter/energy is pulled out of the expanding space for free, as a byproduct of the real expansion.
...and no one has a picture of a ghost because they are too shy to be photographed.
Can you give me a link to that thread? I can't seem to find it.
For the record, I just spoke with Burt Ovrut, one of the pioneers of the Ekpyrotic theory. He was surprised by that assertion, and expressed deep skepticism that CMB polarization would be calculable in such models as they now stand. They are still in their infancy, whereas inflationary models are very well understood.
It was a few months back; I'll try to find it. I'm quite sure the statement about CMB polarization falsifying the Ekpyrotic Model was either in the article that was posted, or in something I found somewhere on the web. Perhaps the characterization was hasty....
To: PatrickHenry; Physicist; ThinkPlease; RadioAstronomer; aBootes
From your first link:
The remaining possibility is the detection of optical polarization in the cosmic microwave background radiation induced by long wavelength gravity-wave effects. If such polarization were detected, it would tend to support inflationary cosmology and to falsify ekpyrotic cosmology. However, no such polarization has yet been observed.[emphasis added]
So, the observation reported in the original article not only suppports inflationary Cosmology, it falsifies the ekpyrotic alternative.
Yet another piece of the Cosmic puzzle appears to have fallen in place......
17 posted on 09/21/2002 4:25 PM EDT by longshadow
I'm quoting something from PH's link in the reply immediately above the the one shown above.
Perhaps they overstated the case for falsifying the Ekpyrotic Model.
Don't shoot me; I'm just the messenger!
The Big Bang model, as a result of its turbulent super-high-density initial phase, should produce in its early stages a cosmic flood of gravitational radiation, and this should show up as polarization of the electromagnetic cosmic background radiation. The Steinhardt-Turok model predicts no such gravity waves and polarization. If that polarization of the microwave background is found, the Big Bang model gains strong experimental support. On the other hand, if no such polarization is present, the Steinhardt-Turok cyclic model receives similar support.
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