Smallpox Comitatus

self ^ | 12/18/02 | Self

[Poohbah]

If everyone is vaccinated, all hell will break loose as many will become ill, and many will contract smallpox and die.

Define "many." Compare that number to the numbers of nonimmunized people who will die of smallpox if there is a large outbreak.

[DBtoo]

Last week I had a doctor's appt., and I asked my doctor what she thought about the smallpox vaccine and that whole issue. She said what you have been saying. She also does not want one, and hopes that since we are in the middle of nowhere they will not enforce it here. She is a very intelligent woman and the best doctor in this area. Since we are a hub for a huge chunk of the state, we have a rather large hospital and many doctors. She's the best and there are some very good ones here. She knows what she is talking about and so does FormerLurker and other doctors and researchers.

There is so much information out there that I don't know how anyone can deny it, unless they are scared, and denying the danger and becoming angry over it is a coping mechanism.

[Sabertooth]

Don't forget the Marines!

I was living in Castaic at the time, across the I-5 from Peter Pitchess Wayside Honor Rancho. The Marines (I think) were brought in on big transport helicopters at dusk and were deployed into the L.A. from there. Those guys hit the prison grounds fully armed and ready to go. Very impressive.

Within 24 hours, order had been restored.

[DBtoo]

It would be helpful if people other than self-serving morons would run for office so that we could have some decent choices.

[sweetliberty]

"Afraid Former Lurker will just re-enroll"

Well, if he does, he should be easy to spot.

[Poohbah]

Look for someone who posts over-the-top crap about vaccination.

[sweetliberty]

And flouride.

[Poohbah]

Is FormerLurker concerned about his precious bodily fluids?

[discostu]

And H1Bs and crop cirles. Basically anything that could be construed as conspiracy busting.

[sweetliberty]

My guess is that Former Lurker has already been contacted by Liberty Post and is likely signing up as we speak...uh, post.

[Poohbah]

Well, it's speech in a metaphysical sort of way, especially for those Freepers who move their lips as they read or type. (I'm not going to engage in any irresponsible speculation regarding which Freepers that category encompasses. :o)

[sweetliberty]

LOL!

[aruanan]

Please post any scientific studies you might know of that prove the smallpox vaccination actually works.

Have you ever heard of Edward Jenner? He improved on the primitive form of innoculation called "variolation" which attempted to give a person a mild case of smallpox and, with it, protection against a deadly case. Unfortunately, it wasn't a certain thing that a mild case would obtain from variolation. Jenner saw that people who contracted cowpox did not become infected with smallpox. He innoculated with cowpox and then later with smallpox. The patients did not develop smallpox. As the practice of innoculation became standardized, it was empirically demonstrated to be an effective means of preventing smallpox, though the molecular basis for immunization had still not been discovered.

Of course, folks like krodriguesdc would say that it was a purely poc hoc ergo propter hoc phenomenon: smallpox disappeared due to increase public sanitation--they just happened to be innoculating everywhere that modern sanitation was instituted and mistook the effects of sanitation for effective innoculation. This argument, though, is a case of fetid dingos kidneys since it has been demonstrated since Jenner's day that a. there is indeed a molecular basis for immunity that satisfactorily explains why they found empirically that innoculation worked, and b. members of a clean society with modern plumbing and sewage systems cannot avoid getting a communicable disease that doesn't depend on dirty toilet seats and open sewers to spread.

[aruanan]

What did Jenner do? Did he attempt to stick up for his creed or to prove that he was right? No; he wanted money. He said he was looking forward "in the fond hope of enjoying independence," declaring he was in an impecunious condition. He accepted the verdict of the people.

This is libel against a dead guy.

Jenner received worldwide recognition and many honours, but he made no attempt to enrich himself through his discovery and actually devoted so much time to the cause of vaccination that his private practice and personal affairs suffered severely.Parliament voted him a sum of £10,000 in 1802 and a further sum of £20,000 in 1806. Jenner not only received honours but also aroused opposition and found himself subjected to attacks and calumnies, despite which he continued his activities on behalf of vaccination.

Though smallpox is no longer around, there is no end to the supply of morons such as hounded Jenner in his day. Someday someone will figure out a vaccine for that.

[PatrioticAmerican]

"are we to believe that the Department of Defense no longer has a role because the opponent is on U.S. soil?"

Yeah, 'cause boy George has told us that we need a Homeland Defense department to handle domestic defense.

[DBtoo]

I thought of the Earth is Flat comparison also.

[discostu]

The administrators already did, they banned FL. But don't stop posting fact to counter his lies.

[DBtoo]

Sabertooth, are you always so nasty with people whom you don't agree with? Do you really think the name-calling shows your wisdom, knowledge and maturity?

[Let's Roll]

Yeah - he uses the same cut and paste over and over and ...

[DBtoo]

Sabertooth was the first one on this thread to ping Admin Moderator because he didn't like what FormerLurker was saying. FormerLurker was not frothing at the mouth and hurling personal insults such as Sabertooth was.