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How To Defeat Gay Arguements
Junto Society ^ | 12/14/2002 | Scott Douglas Lively

Posted on 12/14/2002 12:22:41 PM PST by stoney

How to Defeat "Gay" Arguments Written by Scott Douglas Lively, Esq.

Provided by Bob Sperlazzo Informed Christian Digest 12/14/2002

There is no shame in believing a lie until you learn the truth.

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The success of so-called "gay rights" is an amazing triumph of clever deception over simple logic. When it comes to this issue, otherwise intelligent people routinely fall for arguments that just don't hold up under scrutiny. "Gay" sympathizers aren't necessarily more gullible than other people, they are simply tricked into accepting certain conclusions without first examining the underlying premises.

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He who defines the terms controls the debate -- and by extension, public opinion. On this issue the terms have been defined (in many cases invented) by the talented sophists of the "gay" movement.

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Sophistry, it must be noted, is the ancient Greek art of persuasion by subtly false reasoning. The key to overcoming sophistry is to simplify and clarify what the sophists have intentionally made complex and vague. That process begins by defining the terms and concepts being used in the arguments. One quickly discovers that most arguments advocating "gay rights" depend upon hidden false assumptions and deliberately ambiguous terms. It's all smoke and mirrors.

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Among the most common terms and concepts in the "gay rights" debate are: homosexuality, sexual orientation, heterosexism, diversity, multi-culturalism, inclusiveness, discrimination, homophobia and tolerance. These words and phrases are used by "gay" sophists to frame the question of homosexuality as a civil rights issue. It is a context chosen to favor homosexuals to the

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: gay; homosexual; homosexualagenda; queer
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To: Dimensio; scripter; EdReform
Yes, but you want to put homosexuals into death-camps!

No, misdemeanor fines are fine for me. Not teaching it in schools as normal behavior is fine for me. The right of free association in hiring, selling and accommodation is fine for me.

61 posted on 12/15/2002 2:39:19 PM PST by Clint N. Suhks
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To: Clint N. Suhks
I was mocking his argument tactic of 'cut your opponent off and claim he has some extreme position rather than address anything relevant'. Apparently, however, it's only a valid tactic when he does it and when anyone else tries it they become a liberal.
62 posted on 12/15/2002 2:43:51 PM PST by Dimensio
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To: stoney
Send the to that fag in Germany that eats them for dinner, literalry!
63 posted on 12/15/2002 2:53:41 PM PST by dalereed
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To: Kevin Curry
If I see a car with a bumper sticker that reads "I Love Prison Sex" is it fair to assume that this a person who "ThinksDifferent"?
64 posted on 12/15/2002 3:22:18 PM PST by bribriagain
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To: Archie Bunker on steroids
Here's another: What's the difference between a homosexual and a refrigerator?

A: The fridge doesn't f@rt when you take the meat out.

65 posted on 12/15/2002 3:27:31 PM PST by bribriagain
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To: That Subliminal Kid
And....the word bastard is pretty much "out of service" too since bastardy constitutes the product of what, 70 to 80 percent of the blacks born these days?

I still remember my youngest coming home from school and announcing he was the ONLY one in his class living with his "real" mommy and daddy.

66 posted on 12/15/2002 3:36:30 PM PST by litehaus
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To: stoney
Homosexuality, prostitution, adultery, fornication.

If you ban one, you have to ban them all. To do otherwise would be hypocritical.

Marriage between an adult man and adult woman is the only acceptable context for sex.

As soon as you open the door to sex between unmarried "consenting adults" you let in all kinds of deviant behaviours.

67 posted on 12/15/2002 4:33:40 PM PST by wai-ming
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To: wai-ming
If you ban one, you have to ban them all. To do otherwise would be hypocritical.

Why? Are you saying that all of the arguments for homosexuality, prostitution, adultery and fornication are totally interchangable without a unique arguemnt amongst the four?
68 posted on 12/15/2002 5:11:49 PM PST by Dimensio
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To: Dimensio
Are you saying that all of the arguments for homosexuality, prostitution, adultery and fornication are totally interchangable without a unique arguemnt amongst the four?

No. But the "sexual revolution" opened up a Pandora's box that can only be remedied by a return to traditional values.

If, under the "consenting adults" argument, it's "okay" for unmarried men and women to engage in sexual behaviour, then why not two "consenting adult" men or two "consenting adult" women?

Although these types of behaviours have always existed, the sexual revolution, by condoning non-marital sex, paved the way for the acceptance of more and more deviant activities, until, well, look what we have today.

69 posted on 12/15/2002 5:38:09 PM PST by wai-ming
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To: stoney
How To Defeat Gay Arguements

TRUTH, FACTS, LOGIC. Pay attention to the man behind the curtain.

70 posted on 12/15/2002 6:00:22 PM PST by Clint N. Suhks
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To: wai-ming
No.

Then your argument fails. You can only argue that allowing homosexuality means allowing adultery/fornication/prostitution/etc if you CANNOT make an argument for any of the latter that does not apply to the former.

If there is an argument against adultery that does not apply to homosexuality, then that can be used when justifying why adultery should be prohibited while homosexuality is not.
71 posted on 12/15/2002 6:01:52 PM PST by Dimensio
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To: bribriagain
Geez, I didn't need to hear that one!
72 posted on 12/15/2002 7:36:30 PM PST by Archie Bunker on steroids
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To: Dimensio
Thanks for your help with the logic.

Let me take another stab at it.

Major Premise: Non- marital sex of any type should be banned.
Minor Premise: Homosexuality, adultery, fornication, and prostitution are non-marital sex.
Conclusion: Therefore, they should be banned.

The following major premises also apply to all four:

Sex between non-married consenting adults.
Sex which is forbidden (by God) in the Bible.
Sex which could result in a sexually transmitted disease.

The following apply only to homosexuality:

Sex between individuals of the same gender.

The following apply only to adultery, fornication and (male-female) prostitution:

Sex which could result in an out-of-wedlock pregnancy.
Sex which could result in an abortion.

73 posted on 12/15/2002 9:39:05 PM PST by wai-ming
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To: wai-ming
Okay. Now you might need to defend your Major Premise, but your logic is at least sound if your Major Premise holds.

Of course, one of your 'major premises' has a religious attachment, and people who are not followers of that particular religion are not going to buy it. Also, 'sex which could result in a sexually transmitted disease' only applies if one of the persons involved has a disease, not if the persons are unmarried.
74 posted on 12/15/2002 9:43:42 PM PST by Dimensio
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To: Archie Bunker on steroids
Archie! I'm so glad to see youse home! This is Eddit, and don't upset the Meathead. BTW, Archie, Gloria was wondering how to spell a-r-g-u-m-e-n-t, and I told her you could explain it. :)
75 posted on 12/15/2002 9:52:40 PM PST by xJones
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To: Dimensio
I'm getting there.

You're right, the STD premise could apply to married people as well. And it could also be used as an argument by homosexuals who have no disease to transmit.

The religious argument, while it may not be accepted by all, may be the strongest one we have, because without it, there is no justification for "forbidding" anything.

Without the "moral" argument, anything goes. It all becomes relative, or just a matter of "preference." How can one person tell another what he/she can or cannot do?

But when you introduce a premise based on "morality," you have to forbid all "immoral" behaviours in order to be consistent.

76 posted on 12/15/2002 10:07:58 PM PST by wai-ming
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To: xJones
Aww Geeesh
77 posted on 12/15/2002 10:36:43 PM PST by Archie Bunker on steroids
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To: Dimensio
Regarding one of the authors of Pink Swastika to be full of "vitriol and rage": check out www.abidingtruth.com to order Pink Swastika and other related books. Many countries such as Canada and Britain now call any speech criticizing homosexual behavior "hatespeech."
I have read P.Swastika a few years ago and there is a new updated edition. It appears to be very well researched. Check it out!!!
78 posted on 12/15/2002 10:56:50 PM PST by First Amendment
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To: LibWhacker
bump
80 posted on 12/16/2002 8:29:52 AM PST by yendu bwam
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