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“The Israelis now possess all the nuclear secrets of the United States.”
http://www.sobran.com/ ^ | 19 Nov 2002 | Sobran

Posted on 12/08/2002 3:27:47 AM PST by Logic_3

Learning the Hard Way

November 19, 2002

“The Israelis now possess all the nuclear secrets of the United States.”

This is the conclusion of Sean McDade, an investigator with the Royal Canadian Mounted Police, after studying a sophisticated Mossad computer theft operation against the United States two years ago. Evidently the Mounties don’t spend all their time riding horses.

“Compared to this espionage coup,” McDade added, “it can be categorically stated that the Jonathan Pollard case is insignificant.”

McDade’s memorandum is quoted in Gordon Thomas’s recent book Seeds of Fire (Dandelion Books), which also deals extensively with Israel’s secret dealings with the Chinese government. Since China sees the United States as its enemy, U.S. nuclear secrets would be a precious bargaining chip for the Israelis.

McDade surmised that this story, “if made public,” might cause a “major scandal.” That depends on whether the American media and American politicians want to make an issue of it. And when it comes to our Israeli “allies,” they are very, very forgiving. The Israelis have never paid a penalty for Pollard’s spying, though they still refuse to return, or even to identify, the stolen documents. So the full damage still can’t be assessed. And the Israelis keep pressing American presidents for Pollard’s release from prison!

Israel, we are told, is “our only reliable ally in the Middle East.” It’s bad enough having Israel’s friendship, but we also get its enemies into the bargain. All this for a mere five billion bucks a year! What a deal!

When it comes to foreign policy, the U.S. Government isn’t playing with a full deck. It’s naive, weak, and corrupt. No other Western government has been foolish enough to get so deeply entangled in Jewish-Muslim hostilities. And Thomas’s book makes it clear that the United States is as far out of its depth in international intrigue as in general policymaking.

Pro-Israel pundits like Daniel Pipes urge us to read the Koran in order to learn what the Islamic world really thinks of us “infidels.” Good advice, but we should also acquaint ourselves with the Talmud to learn how the Israelis regard us “goyim.” Neither religion flatters us, though the Talmud is far more insulting.

It might come as a shock to most Americans to discover that neither Jews nor Muslims live by the New Testament. When President Bush called Islam “a religion of peace,” he displayed the typically American assumption that all religions preach justice, mercy, and universal benevolence. Isn’t that what religion means?

Well, not exactly. Many religions have celebrated conquest and extermination. Christians have even managed to interpret the New Testament as authorizing rough stuff. The Old Testament offers precedents enough for wiping out your enemies, right down to the infants and livestock. The colorful Aztec religious festivals culminated in human sacrifice, nice and slow. The Talmud teaches that all gentiles deserve death; and though it doesn’t urge Jews to kill us all, it does help explain Ariel Sharon.

Even most American Jews are naive about this. In America, Judaism, like Catholicism, has been “refined” into a virtual Protestant denomination, part of what has been called our “civil religion.” Muslims in this country are beginning to be similarly protestantized.

But in the Middle East, people of all faiths still practice that old-time religion. They don’t attend interfaith brotherhood banquets. In Israel, a Christian who tries to convert a Jew is apt to serve a longer prison sentence than a Jew who murders a Christian. In some Muslim countries, a Christian who preaches publicly will be put to death.

This is the world America is eager to barge into, hoping to cajole, bribe, and if necessary bomb these countries until they embrace pluralistic democracy and women’s rights. Visualize liberated Mecca: a city of neon lights, porn shops, and abortion clinics, girls with faces and navels exposed.

Why is the world’s most powerful country also one of the most provincial? Having lost our own cultural roots, we seem to have no sense of the depth of foreign cultures. Isn’t everyone just like us, really? Aren’t the differences only superficial? And can’t these people see how much better off they’ll be if they just abandon their ways and adopt ours?

Assuming that the other fellow is just like you may be a kindly attitude, but in the Middle East it’s a good way to get your pocket picked.


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“The Israelis now possess all the nuclear secrets of the United States.”

Can somebody confirm/deny?

1 posted on 12/08/2002 3:27:47 AM PST by Logic_3
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To: Logic_3
yeah !!! the jews are also to blame for the sunspots and the craters on the moon. what next !!!
2 posted on 12/08/2002 3:34:41 AM PST by akash
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To: Logic_3
Just a caveat.

In Canada, what would be the FBI's tasks are tasked to the RCMP while what would be the CIA's tasks are tasked to CSIS.

This has been the case for about 3 decades since a few loose cannons in the RCMP indulged in some rather exhuberant practices inside Canada, including arson of a barn, in the name of "national security".
3 posted on 12/08/2002 3:35:16 AM PST by Clive
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4 posted on 12/08/2002 3:35:46 AM PST by Clive
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To: Clive
Of all the peoples of the earth, I am least troubled about Israel having the bomb. I feel SAFER with Israel in control of an extensive nuclear arsenal.
5 posted on 12/08/2002 3:42:13 AM PST by Cyclops08
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To: Cyclops08
"...Of all the peoples of the earth, I am least troubled about Israel having the bomb. I feel SAFER with Israel in control of an extensive nuclear arsenal..."

Exactly right.

6 posted on 12/08/2002 3:49:12 AM PST by DWSUWF
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To: Logic_3
Can somebody confirm/deny?

Not exactly- what I know is from pre-web days, and based on talk radio... sometimes called "the poor man's internet."

There was a lot of discussion about how our nuclear secrets were put on an unsecure server where anyone who knew what to look for could get them.

There was discussion about our "Legacy Codes"- what you need to design, test, and maintain all the warheads in our arsenal- getting out & maybe going to Cuba and North Korea.

There was discussion about how all our satellite codes went from the Defense Department to the Commerce Department- then vanished.

But note well, this was before 1999, and Israel was not mentioned.

7 posted on 12/08/2002 3:50:57 AM PST by backhoe
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To: Logic_3
Uhm, the Israelis have had nukes for a long time--they call them their Sampson Option. They also have the neutron bomb.

BTW, there are many Christian Jews in Israel.

This is a hit piece designed to to kill the war effort. Sobran has been one it's most vocal critics.

8 posted on 12/08/2002 3:53:19 AM PST by Lion's Cub
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To: Logic_3
I wouldn't be surprised. Sometimes it seems that Israel will betray us in any way that will help them even in the slightest. Revelations about Israeli spying on the US can be very disappointing for an American, like myself, that supports Israel.
9 posted on 12/08/2002 4:14:38 AM PST by Texas_Jarhead
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To: Logic_3
The Talmud teaches that all gentiles deserve death; and though it doesn’t urge Jews to kill us all, it does help explain Ariel Sharon.

I'd really like to know exactly where in the Talmud this is expressed, both literally and what the context is... I went to a Jewish day school when I was younger and interestingly enough, we never did read the part about how "all gentiles deserve death."

In Israel, a Christian who tries to convert a Jew is apt to serve a longer prison sentence than a Jew who murders a Christian.

I'd also like to know exactly when this has happened in the past... Or is Sobran really saying, "it could happen?" Actually, there are quite a few Messianic Jews in Israel, and they are, in fact, some of the strongest supporters of Israel.

As far as Israel's dealings with China, as an American, I'm appalled that there's even the slightest possibility of a technology transfer to the Chinese, although the greatest hazard to national security is out of the White House. If it's determined that Israel leaked sensative information or technology to China, then they should be completely cut off to all foreign aid: Simple enough. Pollard should never get out of jail, and for the life of me, I don't understand why the Walkers are still alive, or for that matter, Aimes.

Mark

10 posted on 12/08/2002 5:00:51 AM PST by MarkL
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As far as Israel's dealings with China, as an American, I'm appalled that there's even the slightest possibility of a technology transfer to the Chinese, although the greatest hazard to national security is out of the White House. If it's determined that Israel leaked sensative information or technology to China, then they should be completely cut off to all foreign aid: Simple enough (emphasis added)

I'm inclined to agree with you, but I wonder about this story since China got what it needed as regards nuclear secrets, technology, and satellites from the Clinton administration.

David Horowitz wrote about Clinton with Red China that "it was as if the Rosenbergs were running the Whitehouse -- except the Rosenbergs were little people and naive.... The Rosenbergs also did it for a mistaken ideal -- not to line their pockets."

11 posted on 12/08/2002 5:12:02 AM PST by UbIwerks
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To: Logic_3
"The Talmud teaches that all gentiles deserve death; and though it doesn’t urge Jews to kill us all, it does help explain Ariel Sharon."

Well, so what? The author is ignoring the fact that the New Testiment teaches that all have sinned and all who sin deserve death.
12 posted on 12/08/2002 5:13:26 AM PST by DugwayDuke
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To: Logic_3
hmm, so it was Pollard and not Clinton, that gave the Chinese the W-88?
13 posted on 12/08/2002 5:20:29 AM PST by I_dmc
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To: Logic_3
That fact that Sobran wrote this article means it is written with very baised mind set (Jew hater).

He writes some great stuff, but he has this thing about the Jews.

Too bad.

14 posted on 12/08/2002 5:25:41 AM PST by JZoback
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To: UbIwerks
And lest we forget - the United States, under the Lend-Lease Program, shipped to the USSR tens of tons of nuclear materials - in 1943.
15 posted on 12/08/2002 5:27:18 AM PST by jamaksin
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To: Logic_3
“The Israelis now possess all the nuclear secrets of the United States.”

Now, if only we possessed all the nuclear secrets of Isreal...

16 posted on 12/08/2002 5:29:04 AM PST by ofMagog
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To: Logic_3
Visualize liberated Mecca: a city of neon lights, porn shops, and abortion clinics, girls with faces and navels exposed.

To use his same silly logic, visualize "Vatican City" the same way.

We are not trying to move Muslins to a "pluralistic democracy and women’s rights". We are trying to move them to the 21th century and out of the 13th century

17 posted on 12/08/2002 5:52:39 AM PST by JZoback
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To: Logic_3
Visualize liberated Mecca: a city of neon lights, porn shops, and abortion clinics, girls with faces and navels exposed.

Cooooollllll!!!!!!

18 posted on 12/08/2002 6:23:31 AM PST by Celtjew Libertarian
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To: jamaksin
And lest we forget - the United States, under the Lend-Lease Program, shipped to the USSR tens of tons of nuclear materials - in 1943.

Here are some interesting essays on Mr. Sobran.
1. Joe Sobran anti Jewish
2. Jew in the woodpile

19 posted on 12/08/2002 6:44:48 AM PST by UbIwerks
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To: akash
So few Jews, so much power, they must be of the devil. Some Canadian doctors reported delivering Jewish babies with horns, but this was suppressed by the Jew-controlled media, you know.

/SARCASM.

20 posted on 12/08/2002 7:08:07 AM PST by TopQuark
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