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Do Moslems, Christians & Jews Believe in the Same God?
frontpagemag ^ | 11/28/2002 | Serge Trifkovic

Posted on 11/28/2002 7:06:02 PM PST by TLBSHOW

Do Moslems, Christians & Jews Believe in the Same God?

One in a series of excerpts adapted by Robert Locke from Dr. Serge Trifkovic’s new book, The Sword of the Prophet: A Politically-Incorrect Guide to Islam

One of the clichés endlessly repeated by those who would conceal the dangerous potentialities inherent in Islam is that Moslems "believe in the same God" as Christians and Jews. But this is a severe distortion of the truth, for what Moslems fundamentally believe is that they know the true nature of the God that Judaism and Christianity tell lies about. Lies for which Christians and Jews will be punished in hell. The fact that Moslems share Levantine monotheism with us thus makes them more, not less, antagonistic to us on a religious level. Hopes for reconciliation on the grounds of common monotheism, as opposed to a realistic "good fences make good neighbors" civilizational détente, are wishful thinking.

The widespread belief in the non-Muslim world that Islam accords respect to the Old Testament and the Gospels as steps in progression to Mohammad’s revelation is mistaken. Modern Muslim apologists try to stress the supposed underlying similarities and compatibility of the three faiths, but this is not the view of orthodox Islam. Muhammad’s insistence that there is a heavenly proto-Scripture and that previous "books" are merely distorted and tainted copies sent to previous nations or communities means that these scriptures are the "barbarous Koran" as opposed to the true, Arabic one. (Let’s leave aside for a minute the puzzling question of how any degree of "distortion" of the Koran could produce either an Old or a New Testament.) The Tradition also regards the non-canonical Gospel of Barnabas, and not the New Testament, as the one that Jesus taught. The Koran alone is the true word of God and sets aside all previous revelations.

While the influence of orthodox Christianity upon the Koran has been slight, apocryphal and heretical Christian legends are the second most important original source of Islam. In other words, Islam contains an awful lot that Christians have deliberately rejected over the years as religiously unsound. There are also influences of Sabaism, of Zoroastrianism, and of ancient Arabian paganism, including the divine sanction for the practices of polygamy and slavery. The reports in both the Koran and the Hadith (authoritative traditional sayings) concerning paradise, the houris, (virgins) the youths, the jinn (genies) and the angel of death have been directly taken from the ancient books of the Zoroastrians. Zoroastrianism also originated the story that on the Day of Judgment all people will have to cross a bridge stretched across hell leading to paradise on which the unbelievers will stumble and fall down to hell.

The biblical stories been passed on to Muhammad presumably from Jewish and Christian sources, but it is probable that he never read the Old or the New Testament. Those narratives had deeply impressed him, but being incomplete and imprecise, they gave his imagination free rein. Of the books of the Old Testament he knew only of the Torah or Pentateuch and the Book of Psalms, while the Scriptures he treats collectively as "the Gospels." Muhammad took these narratives as they were given to him, and their use in the Koran amounts to random, approximate and often badly misunderstood reproduction of the Talmudic traditions and the Apocrypha. Moreover, they are of course devoid of their original contexts and of the spiritual message of the original.

Many Old Testament stories are changed beyond recognition, and can be treated as a "source" only in the most general sense. Abraham did not offer Isaac, but Ishmael, as a sacrifice. "Haman" was pharaoh’s chief minister, even though the Haman known to Jews lived in Babylon one thousand years later. Moses was picked from the river not by his sister but by his mother. A Samaritan was the one who molded the golden calf for the children of Israel and misguided them, even though Samarians arrived only after the Babylonian exile. The accounts of Moses’ life are sketchy and say nothing of his character, descent, the time he was sent as a prophet, the purpose of his mission, and where, how and why he appointed Aaron as his deputy. It does not relate the argument between them and the people of Israel, which is crucial to the story. The story of Noah reflected Muhammad’s dilemmas and difficulties rather than Noah’s mission, and even the names of the idols that Noah warns against are Arabic.

The Koran makes reference to Jesus, Mary and events related to them, but with a critical distinction. It explicitly denies that Jesus was crucified: Allah made the Jews so confused that they crucified somebody else instead who had the likeness of Christ: "They slew him not nor crucified but it appeared so unto them." Muslims claim that an impostor by the name of Shabih was crucified, and he resembled Jesus in his face only. It seems illogical to those who count "proud" as one of the "99 most beautiful names of Allah" that Jesus, who was capable of raising the dead and of healing the blind and the leper, willingly submitted to the cross and failed to destroy the Jews who intended to hurt him. Islam rejects the whole concept of the crucifixion, claiming that it is against reason to assume that Allah would not forgive man’s sins without the cross: to say so is to limit his power: "He forgives whom he will, and he chastises whom he will."

The denial of the Trinity is also explicit: Allah begets not, i.e. he is no Father; and was not begotten, that is, he is no Son; and no one is like him, which means he is no Holy Spirit. "They are infidels who say, Allah is the third of three." But "Isa" is not the Son of Allah, only a special prophet, and the Christians’ contrary claim shows how they are perverted. The Christians are guilty of blasphemy because of their belief in the "trinity" of Allah, Mary, and Jesus. The "real" Jesus was a righteous prophet and a good Muslim who paved the way for the final prophet, Muhammad himself.

There is a wishful myth in circulation among liberals that Islam accords respect to all "people of the book," i.e. Christians and Jews in addition to Moslems. While Islam indeed accords them a higher standing than it does to polytheists like Hindus (pace the question of whether Hinduism properly understood is truly polytheistic) or African animists, this hardly amounts to respect. Of all the "people of the book" only Muslims can attain salvation. Jews’ and Christians’ refusal to acknowledge Mohammed as the messenger of God dooms them to unbelief and eternal suffering after death. Christians are mortal sinners because of their belief in the divinity of Christ, and their condemnation is irrevocable: "God will forbid him the garden and the fire will be his abode."

Unlike the Christian faith in God revealing Himself through Christ, the Koran is not a revelation of Allah – a heretical concept in Islam – but the direct revelation of his commandments and the communication of his law. It has been said that the Koran, to a Muslim, is not the perfected Gospel, it Christ, the Word Incarnate. This is a somewhat tenuous metaphor, however, not a valid parallel: Christian God "comes down" and seeks man because of His fatherly love. The Fall cast a shadow, the Incarnation makes reconciliation possible. Allah, by contrast, is cold, haughty, unpredictable, unknowable, capricious, distant, and so purely transcendent that no "relationship" is possible. He reveals only his will, not himself. Allah is "everywhere," and therefore nowhere relevant to us. He is uninterested in making our acquaintance, let alone in being near to us because of love. We are still utterly unable to grasp his purposes and all we can do is what we have to do, to obey his command.

The Koran claims to be the fulfillment of a religious design which was imperfectly revealed to the Jews and to the Christians. It is the crowning synthesis, the final word. But viewing the matter objectively, leaving aside for a moment the question of the actual truth of the book, it seems hard to see how the Koran is a synthesis of anything. The way in which Christianity makes sense – again, simply as a logical matter and leaving aside the truth of it – as a fulfillment of Judaism, is clear even to the unbeliever. But the Koran’s claim is singularly implausible. Non-Muslim commentators fail to see in what way is the Koran an improvement over, or advancement on, the moral teaching, language, style, or coherence of the Old and New Testament. It is looks, feels, sounds like a construct entirely human in origin and intent, clear in its earthly sources of inspiration and the fulfillment of the daily needs, personal and political, of its author.

Finally, one cannot ignore that whatever mildly friendly things the Koran may say about Judaism and Christianity in its early part, the late Surras also signify the final break with the Jews and Christians, who are fiercely denounced. The Muslims must be merciless to the unbelievers but kind to each other. "Whoso of you makes them his friends is one of them." War, not friendship, is mandatory until Islam reigns everywhere. Muslims are ordered to fight the unbelievers, "and let them find harshness in you." They must kill the unbelievers "wherever you find them." The punishment for resistance is execution or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides. By the stage in his life during which these Surras were written, Muhammad was no longer trying to convert his hearers by examples, promises, and warnings; he addresses them as their master and sovereign, praising them or blaming them for their conduct, giving laws and precepts as needed. His raw dogmatism stands, finally, naked of all pretence.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: catholiclist; christians; god; jews; moslems
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To: fatidic
Baal and his buddies may be focuses of worship, but they are not really there.
241 posted on 11/29/2002 5:14:33 AM PST by InvisibleChurch
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To: skull stomper
There is one GOD, and his name is not allah.


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242 posted on 11/29/2002 5:39:29 AM PST by TLBSHOW
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To: TLBSHOW
To paraphrase a well known American "cleric" (and the irony is delicious) "Islam is a gutter religion".
243 posted on 11/29/2002 6:27:51 AM PST by iconoclast
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To: Dutch-Comfort
As for the Arabs, they would have not noticed much difference between themselves in Lawrence's day and in the 13th century. Today, look at Baghdad, look at the Suadi's, look at Pakistan with it's nukes. All of that came out from scratch in a mere 80 years. Another 80 years will likely bring far, far more. Given the point from which they started, they are progressing far faster than the West. I am reminded also of Japan from 1864 to 1941.

Hmmm. I'm not certain that Arab "progress" in this case amounts to much more than the appropriation of Western technology. Have there been significant cultural changes amid the laptops and cellphones, or has Western-style communications infrastructure simply helped to create the best-connected 14-century Islamic state ever?

On the outside we see modern office buildings and airports in Riyadh and Abu Dhabi. On the inside, is there a significant change in Arabic thinking, or are they simply "progressing" toward the electronic caliphate, imposing sharia law with newfound Western efficiency?

245 posted on 11/29/2002 6:32:55 AM PST by Oberon
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To: Restorer
He was trying to promote his particular sect, and trying to show them how Jesus fit in, in the Hebraic cosmos, but I did not hear him say they were lost hellbound sinners if they did not see it his way...

And if he had it would have tended more to prove his own lack of grace, than their lostness....

246 posted on 11/29/2002 6:34:20 AM PST by crystalk
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To: Charles Henrickson
There may have been particular apikorsim, Jews who had lost their faith, that Jesus was warning in such harsh terms, but he could hardly have been addressing the entirety of his own people in this way.

One man he called "an Israelite indeed, in whom there is no guile."

On another occasion, explaining some of the more esoteric ideas he held, he marveled that "you are an elder in Israel, and do NOT know these things...??"

248 posted on 11/29/2002 6:37:12 AM PST by crystalk
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To: TLBSHOW
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249 posted on 11/29/2002 6:42:02 AM PST by Fiddlstix
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To: Dimensio
If they wanted to surrender or could safely be rescued out, sure. Otherwise, it may be unfortunate, but this is war.

Would you suggest we sacrifice many of our own to save those "one or two"? Would you be willing to be that sacrifice?
250 posted on 11/29/2002 6:43:13 AM PST by lds23
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To: geopyg
On family vacation last year, swung by Jamestown, VA (the "first settlement"). Besides food, shelter, etc., one of the first things they did was build a church.

Besides just the written word, there are myriad deeds that stand as testimony that country was built by God-fearing Christians, with Christian intent.
251 posted on 11/29/2002 6:48:03 AM PST by lds23
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To: Restorer
"Have you actually read the Old Testament? The God in its pages is a good deal more bloodthirsty than that of the Koran."

"YHWH regularly called for entire cities and nations to be exterminated to the last man, woman, child and domestic animal, whether they surrendered or not."

Deu 20:10 When thou comest nigh unto a city to fight against it, then proclaim peace unto it.

Deu 20:11 And it shall be, if it make thee answer of peace, and open unto thee, then it shall be, [that] all the people [that is] found therein shall be tributaries unto thee, and they shall serve thee.

Deu 20:12 And if it will make no peace with thee, but will make war against thee, then thou shalt besiege it:

Deu 20:13 And when the LORD thy God hath delivered it into thine hands, thou shalt smite every male thereof with the edge of the sword:

Deu 20:14 But the women, and the little ones, and the cattle, and all that is in the city, [even] all the spoil thereof, shalt thou take unto thyself; and thou shalt eat the spoil of thine enemies, which the LORD thy God hath given thee.
252 posted on 11/29/2002 6:50:56 AM PST by DugwayDuke
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To: Commie Basher
"No, not "very different." You're straining here. Had this passage been in the Koran, I think you'd use it against them."

YES, it is very different. In the book of Leviticus God is giving laws to only the JEWS and how THEY will live within the borders of the Holy Land. This is entirely different from the Koran's "kill the infidel where you find them." I don't think the world would mind if Muslims' kept their "Sharia" law within the borders of Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Syria, Pakistan, Jordan, Iraq (just how many nations do they need?). However, when they started forcing THEIR religious laws on the rest of the world... it's an entirely different matter. Muslims immigrating all over the world and causing unrest in every nation as they seek to implement their religious/political views on the nations they quietly invade. (Pretty convenient that Muslim men are allowed to marry 4 women, pretty much for breeding, that's a good way to build a religion).

In the book of Leviticus God has brought His people out of Eygypt and given them back the lands that had been promised to their heirs Abraham, Isaac and Jacob (Israel). God directed them to destroy the inhabitants of the land because of their pagan acts. God also told them to not show pity on them but to destroy every man, woman, child and animal. These directions were limited to war to establish God's Holy Land during this time. Wars conducted outside the Holy Land, with neighbors did not have such instructions. Unfortunately, the Jews did show pity on several of the inhabitants, and as the Bible predicted, they have been a "thorn in their side" ever since.
253 posted on 11/29/2002 6:52:21 AM PST by Sweet Hour of Prayer
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To: B-Chan

254 posted on 11/29/2002 6:52:31 AM PST by Luis Gonzalez
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To: Pliney the younger
"There are presently one billion followers of Islam."

However! Muslims count their babies as "followers" of Islam. They are born into the religion. Thus, when the media compliantly pronounces that Islam is the fastest growing religion in America, they are merely attesting to the phenomenal birth rate of the Muslim immigrants. Let's see, four wives, 3-4 babies a piece... the American welfare system will support them. They'll be raised to vote anti-Israel. I think that's the main purpose.
256 posted on 11/29/2002 7:04:05 AM PST by Sweet Hour of Prayer
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To: PhilipFreneau
God is not willing that any perish, true. However, some will, and it isn't because God chooses that. If I would have chosen to disbelieve, then I would perish. Free will can lead to salvation, but it shall also lead to other's damnation. That thought does not make me happy. But it is the truth. Therefore, it is incumbent upon us to "go and tell," so that others will hear the Word and thereby believe. Even the angels in heaven rejoice when another believer shall be added to the roles of heaven.
257 posted on 11/29/2002 7:07:56 AM PST by nicmarlo
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To: TLBSHOW
From the Jewish Book of Isaiah, written about 700 years before Christ- date and original text accuracy further verified by recent discovery of Dead Sea scrolls:

For to us a child is born,
to us a son is given,
and the government will be upon His shoulders,
And He will be called
Wonderful Counseler, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

Isaiah 9:6
258 posted on 11/29/2002 7:12:17 AM PST by keats5
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To: Dutch-Comfort
It is the West that is the corrupting influence, the one that naturally corrodes strong religious values.

I would submit to you that strong religious values are only of value when the religion in question is valid. In other words, if Allah is the One True God and Mohammed is His prophet, then 'strong religious values' in adherence to Islam are a good thing. Of course, if the opposite premise is true, then so also is the opposite conclusion.

One could easily argue, however, that regardless of the relative worth of Islam, replacing it with shallow Western hedonism and greed doesn't exactly represent a step up. Because our culture is in its decadence, this is what we see when we look around us. I would remind you, though, that hedonism and greed (and intellectual gymnastics in the service of hedonism and greed) are only the latest veneer on this society of ours. Its foundation is laid on something else.

259 posted on 11/29/2002 7:14:14 AM PST by Oberon
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