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Do Moslems, Christians & Jews Believe in the Same God?
frontpagemag ^ | 11/28/2002 | Serge Trifkovic

Posted on 11/28/2002 7:06:02 PM PST by TLBSHOW

Do Moslems, Christians & Jews Believe in the Same God?

One in a series of excerpts adapted by Robert Locke from Dr. Serge Trifkovic’s new book, The Sword of the Prophet: A Politically-Incorrect Guide to Islam

One of the clichés endlessly repeated by those who would conceal the dangerous potentialities inherent in Islam is that Moslems "believe in the same God" as Christians and Jews. But this is a severe distortion of the truth, for what Moslems fundamentally believe is that they know the true nature of the God that Judaism and Christianity tell lies about. Lies for which Christians and Jews will be punished in hell. The fact that Moslems share Levantine monotheism with us thus makes them more, not less, antagonistic to us on a religious level. Hopes for reconciliation on the grounds of common monotheism, as opposed to a realistic "good fences make good neighbors" civilizational détente, are wishful thinking.

The widespread belief in the non-Muslim world that Islam accords respect to the Old Testament and the Gospels as steps in progression to Mohammad’s revelation is mistaken. Modern Muslim apologists try to stress the supposed underlying similarities and compatibility of the three faiths, but this is not the view of orthodox Islam. Muhammad’s insistence that there is a heavenly proto-Scripture and that previous "books" are merely distorted and tainted copies sent to previous nations or communities means that these scriptures are the "barbarous Koran" as opposed to the true, Arabic one. (Let’s leave aside for a minute the puzzling question of how any degree of "distortion" of the Koran could produce either an Old or a New Testament.) The Tradition also regards the non-canonical Gospel of Barnabas, and not the New Testament, as the one that Jesus taught. The Koran alone is the true word of God and sets aside all previous revelations.

While the influence of orthodox Christianity upon the Koran has been slight, apocryphal and heretical Christian legends are the second most important original source of Islam. In other words, Islam contains an awful lot that Christians have deliberately rejected over the years as religiously unsound. There are also influences of Sabaism, of Zoroastrianism, and of ancient Arabian paganism, including the divine sanction for the practices of polygamy and slavery. The reports in both the Koran and the Hadith (authoritative traditional sayings) concerning paradise, the houris, (virgins) the youths, the jinn (genies) and the angel of death have been directly taken from the ancient books of the Zoroastrians. Zoroastrianism also originated the story that on the Day of Judgment all people will have to cross a bridge stretched across hell leading to paradise on which the unbelievers will stumble and fall down to hell.

The biblical stories been passed on to Muhammad presumably from Jewish and Christian sources, but it is probable that he never read the Old or the New Testament. Those narratives had deeply impressed him, but being incomplete and imprecise, they gave his imagination free rein. Of the books of the Old Testament he knew only of the Torah or Pentateuch and the Book of Psalms, while the Scriptures he treats collectively as "the Gospels." Muhammad took these narratives as they were given to him, and their use in the Koran amounts to random, approximate and often badly misunderstood reproduction of the Talmudic traditions and the Apocrypha. Moreover, they are of course devoid of their original contexts and of the spiritual message of the original.

Many Old Testament stories are changed beyond recognition, and can be treated as a "source" only in the most general sense. Abraham did not offer Isaac, but Ishmael, as a sacrifice. "Haman" was pharaoh’s chief minister, even though the Haman known to Jews lived in Babylon one thousand years later. Moses was picked from the river not by his sister but by his mother. A Samaritan was the one who molded the golden calf for the children of Israel and misguided them, even though Samarians arrived only after the Babylonian exile. The accounts of Moses’ life are sketchy and say nothing of his character, descent, the time he was sent as a prophet, the purpose of his mission, and where, how and why he appointed Aaron as his deputy. It does not relate the argument between them and the people of Israel, which is crucial to the story. The story of Noah reflected Muhammad’s dilemmas and difficulties rather than Noah’s mission, and even the names of the idols that Noah warns against are Arabic.

The Koran makes reference to Jesus, Mary and events related to them, but with a critical distinction. It explicitly denies that Jesus was crucified: Allah made the Jews so confused that they crucified somebody else instead who had the likeness of Christ: "They slew him not nor crucified but it appeared so unto them." Muslims claim that an impostor by the name of Shabih was crucified, and he resembled Jesus in his face only. It seems illogical to those who count "proud" as one of the "99 most beautiful names of Allah" that Jesus, who was capable of raising the dead and of healing the blind and the leper, willingly submitted to the cross and failed to destroy the Jews who intended to hurt him. Islam rejects the whole concept of the crucifixion, claiming that it is against reason to assume that Allah would not forgive man’s sins without the cross: to say so is to limit his power: "He forgives whom he will, and he chastises whom he will."

The denial of the Trinity is also explicit: Allah begets not, i.e. he is no Father; and was not begotten, that is, he is no Son; and no one is like him, which means he is no Holy Spirit. "They are infidels who say, Allah is the third of three." But "Isa" is not the Son of Allah, only a special prophet, and the Christians’ contrary claim shows how they are perverted. The Christians are guilty of blasphemy because of their belief in the "trinity" of Allah, Mary, and Jesus. The "real" Jesus was a righteous prophet and a good Muslim who paved the way for the final prophet, Muhammad himself.

There is a wishful myth in circulation among liberals that Islam accords respect to all "people of the book," i.e. Christians and Jews in addition to Moslems. While Islam indeed accords them a higher standing than it does to polytheists like Hindus (pace the question of whether Hinduism properly understood is truly polytheistic) or African animists, this hardly amounts to respect. Of all the "people of the book" only Muslims can attain salvation. Jews’ and Christians’ refusal to acknowledge Mohammed as the messenger of God dooms them to unbelief and eternal suffering after death. Christians are mortal sinners because of their belief in the divinity of Christ, and their condemnation is irrevocable: "God will forbid him the garden and the fire will be his abode."

Unlike the Christian faith in God revealing Himself through Christ, the Koran is not a revelation of Allah – a heretical concept in Islam – but the direct revelation of his commandments and the communication of his law. It has been said that the Koran, to a Muslim, is not the perfected Gospel, it Christ, the Word Incarnate. This is a somewhat tenuous metaphor, however, not a valid parallel: Christian God "comes down" and seeks man because of His fatherly love. The Fall cast a shadow, the Incarnation makes reconciliation possible. Allah, by contrast, is cold, haughty, unpredictable, unknowable, capricious, distant, and so purely transcendent that no "relationship" is possible. He reveals only his will, not himself. Allah is "everywhere," and therefore nowhere relevant to us. He is uninterested in making our acquaintance, let alone in being near to us because of love. We are still utterly unable to grasp his purposes and all we can do is what we have to do, to obey his command.

The Koran claims to be the fulfillment of a religious design which was imperfectly revealed to the Jews and to the Christians. It is the crowning synthesis, the final word. But viewing the matter objectively, leaving aside for a moment the question of the actual truth of the book, it seems hard to see how the Koran is a synthesis of anything. The way in which Christianity makes sense – again, simply as a logical matter and leaving aside the truth of it – as a fulfillment of Judaism, is clear even to the unbeliever. But the Koran’s claim is singularly implausible. Non-Muslim commentators fail to see in what way is the Koran an improvement over, or advancement on, the moral teaching, language, style, or coherence of the Old and New Testament. It is looks, feels, sounds like a construct entirely human in origin and intent, clear in its earthly sources of inspiration and the fulfillment of the daily needs, personal and political, of its author.

Finally, one cannot ignore that whatever mildly friendly things the Koran may say about Judaism and Christianity in its early part, the late Surras also signify the final break with the Jews and Christians, who are fiercely denounced. The Muslims must be merciless to the unbelievers but kind to each other. "Whoso of you makes them his friends is one of them." War, not friendship, is mandatory until Islam reigns everywhere. Muslims are ordered to fight the unbelievers, "and let them find harshness in you." They must kill the unbelievers "wherever you find them." The punishment for resistance is execution or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides. By the stage in his life during which these Surras were written, Muhammad was no longer trying to convert his hearers by examples, promises, and warnings; he addresses them as their master and sovereign, praising them or blaming them for their conduct, giving laws and precepts as needed. His raw dogmatism stands, finally, naked of all pretence.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: catholiclist; christians; god; jews; moslems
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To: CanisMajor2002
The first Muslim settlement in the US was built in 1790, there were Muslims accompanying the Spanish explorers of the New World since the early 1500's.
161 posted on 11/28/2002 10:02:11 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez
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To: SickOfItAll
Jefferson KNEW that this was a Christian nation, and everybody KNEW this was a Christian nation until the end of WWII. That's a fact, mister, whether you like it, or not.

In other words, you don't actually have any facts for reference, but you think that if you shout what you want to be true over and over again that it will magically become true and annoying little things like the Treaty of Tripoli will be magically erased from history.
162 posted on 11/28/2002 10:03:42 PM PST by Dimensio
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To: SickOfItAll
Jefferson KNEW that this was a Christian nation

Please see #157 for Jefferson's actual words.

But I guess you know more about what he believed than he did.

163 posted on 11/28/2002 10:04:05 PM PST by Restorer
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To: Restorer
Like I said: false, out of context or insignificant. Your evidence is irrelevant when compared to the vast mountains of documentation to which they have access but refuse to share for some reason.
164 posted on 11/28/2002 10:05:03 PM PST by Dimensio
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To: Luis Gonzalez
If I remember correctly, the sole survivor of one of the early expeditions into the American SW was a Moor, or Muslim, named Esteban.

He guided Coronado(?) back to Cibola(?).

165 posted on 11/28/2002 10:08:06 PM PST by Restorer
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To: Restorer
No, the Prodigal Son parable said it all. Since the Covenant at Sinai 3450 yrs ago, Jews have already been with the father "Son, you are always with me, and all that I have is yours. But isn't it right that I should make merry, that your brother who was lost has returned?"

No man COMETH TO the Father, but by Me. Jews are ALREADY WITH the Father.

166 posted on 11/28/2002 10:10:41 PM PST by crystalk
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To: crystalk
"Show me any evidence other than from the fictional imaginary book Roots, that even one Muslim ever lived in the USA before the year (say) 1840."

Here.

Note the entry for the year 1790.

168 posted on 11/28/2002 10:12:18 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez
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To: Dimensio
Sad, isn't it?

We could have an interesting discussion potentially. The whole topic of how Christian the Founders were is a fascinating one.

Probably the majority were devout Christians, but it seems most of the real leaders were deists or theists. Certainly Jefferson was.

But just shouting out your beliefs and refusing the recognize contrary evidence is the end of any discussion.

169 posted on 11/28/2002 10:12:31 PM PST by Restorer
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To: Luis Gonzalez
There may hae been some closet Muslims with the Spanish, but the Church was well represented with the Conquistadors and far from approving the spread of Islam during the exploration of the New World.

I understand the Moorish influence in Spanish culture, but the Inquisition rather forcibly opposed Islam. I wasn't aware of any Islamic influence in the exploration of the New World. Are you aware of any particular examples?

171 posted on 11/28/2002 10:15:28 PM PST by Cvengr
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To: B-Chan
It's interesting that you are on this thread, seeing as to how you believe America to be an abomination, and not a Christian nation.
172 posted on 11/28/2002 10:16:16 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez
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To: crystalk
Jews are ALREADY WITH the Father.

Then why did the Apostle Paul write an entire book of the Bible, Hebrews, to show Jews why they needed to become Christians? Seems rather redundant if they're already saved by being born as Jews.

173 posted on 11/28/2002 10:16:36 PM PST by Restorer
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To: Dimensio
Why does it use the general term "religion" rather than the more specific "Christianity and Judaism"? Why were early drafts that were more specific rejected in favour of the text that is there?

Why is this term in the Constitution: "in the year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and eighty-seven"? One would think a secular Constituion would have merely stated, 1787 AD, if their intention was truly a secular one (the same applies to the Sunday exception clause in Article 1, Section 7).

Oliver Ellsworth, a Connecticut delegate to the Constitutional Convention of 1787, in explaining to the people the clause that prohibits a religious test for public office, stated, "A test in favor of any one denomination of Christians would be to the last degree absurd in the United States. If it were in favor of Congregationalists, Presbyterians, Episcopalians, Baptists, or Quakers, it would incapacitate more than three-fourths of the American citizens for any public office and thus degrade them from the rank of freemen." On swearing to a belief in God at the time of appointment or admission to government office, Ellsworth resolved, "His (an officeholder) making a declaration of such a belief is no security at all. For suppose him to be an unprincipled man who believes neither the Word nor the being of God, and be governed merely by selfish motives; how easy is it for him to dissemble! How easy is it for him to make public declaration of his belief in the creed which the law prescribes and excuse himself by calling it a mere formality."

George Washington warned we should forever be "indignantly frowning upon the first dawning of every attempt to alienate any portion of our country from the rest or to enfeeble the sacred ties which now link together the various parts." He went on to add, "With slight shades of differences, you have the same religion, manners, habits, and political principles. You have in a common cause fought and triumphed together."

These words by Washington are fighting words to the tyrant. His sole desire in legislative acts is to tear us apart. When accomplished, the resulting turmoils gives him the excuse he needs to grab more power, which he uses to tear us apart even further.

Our Founding Fathers were just as clear that foreign influences should not be allowed to penetrate our laws and moralities; but such influences are typically the very argument used to infringe our traditional religious freedoms.

George Washington blamed this on the dereliction of duty by party factions within government, whether out of ignorance, jealousy or revenge, in that, "It opens the door to foreign influences, which find a facilitated access to the government itself through the channels of party passions. Thus, the policy and the wills of one country are subjected to the policies and will of another. He went on to warn, "Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim the tribute of patriotism who should labor to subvert these great pillars of human happiness, these firmest props of the duties of men and citizens. The mere politician, equally with the pious man, ought to respect and to cherish them."

Therefore, Washington not only instructed that we should cherish and maintain our religion and morality, but it is unpatriotic to not do so. He further warned, "Against the insidious wiles of foreign influence, I conjure you to believe me, fellow citizens, the jealousy of a free people ought to be constantly awake, since history and experience prove that foreign influence is one of the most baneful foes of republican [representative] government. But that jealousy, to be useful, must be impartial, else it becomes the instrument of the very influence to be avoided instead of a defense against it."

George Washington also warned, "If, in the opinion of the people, the distribution or modification of the constitutional powers be in any particular wrong, let it be corrected by an amendment in the way which the Constitution designates. But let there be no change by usurpation; for though this, in one instance, may be the instrument of good, it is the customary weapon by which free governments are destroyed." But our politicians and judges don't seem to give a damn about that either. Usurpation is a way of life with those scum.

If one stops to take a close look at the degeneration of our country, its laws, and its morals, one must assume George Washington was either extremely wise, or divinely inspired. The tyrant has moved this society into such turmoil, that in the last thirty years, or so, our most sacred freedoms have been eroded. Worse, the turmoil tends to feed the insatiable appetite of the tyrant with the excuses he needs to generate even more turmoil, and more erosion of our freedoms.

No offense to you, the ACLU, or any of the aforementioned scum that have usurped so much power from the people, but I trust George Washington and the Founding Fathers.

174 posted on 11/28/2002 10:17:32 PM PST by PhilipFreneau
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To: SickOfItAll
Good show of refuting the claim and demonstrating that Jefferson really did want a Christian-only country. Except that you forgot to provide documentation refuting the presented evidence. Try posting it next time.
176 posted on 11/28/2002 10:18:04 PM PST by Dimensio
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To: Cvengr
I wouldn't call them "influences", but I do know of several mentions of Arabs and other Muslims traveling with the Spanish explorers into the New World in some of the (Spanish) history I used to read.
177 posted on 11/28/2002 10:18:37 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez
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To: TLBSHOW
read later bump
178 posted on 11/28/2002 10:18:57 PM PST by freedom9
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To: crystalk
No man COMETH TO the Father, but by Me. Jews are ALREADY WITH the Father.

As someone who Christians think is a Jew and Jews think is a Christian, I salute that post. Good Answer BUMP.

179 posted on 11/28/2002 10:20:45 PM PST by thatdewd
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To: Restorer; crystalk
Jews must come to the Father through Jesus Christ. If they reject Christ, then the Father rejects them. As Jesus said, "No one comes to the Father but by Me."
180 posted on 11/28/2002 10:20:50 PM PST by nicmarlo
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