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To: Restorer; crystalk
Jews must come to the Father through Jesus Christ. If they reject Christ, then the Father rejects them. As Jesus said, "No one comes to the Father but by Me."
180 posted on 11/28/2002 10:20:50 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: nicmarlo
I'm really curious about your position on this. It seems that by your definition, Jews had no need for salvation by Christ. They were already saved by the Abrahamic and Mosaic covenants.

This seems rather contradictory to any explanation of Christian doctrine I've seen previously.
184 posted on 11/28/2002 10:25:24 PM PST by Restorer
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To: nicmarlo
Jews must come to the Father through Jesus Christ. If they reject Christ, then the Father rejects them. As Jesus said, "No one comes to the Father but by Me."

Jesus also said, "No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day" (John 6:44); and he said, "every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day" (John 6:40).

Jesus also said, "And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me" (St. John 12:32). But there is no contradiction, because he also said, "he that hath seen me hath seen the Father" (John 14:9).

He also said, "as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up" (John 3:14); and he said, "him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out" (John 6:37).

I read that to mean, "all come to him and he casts none out". Or, as in the words of Paul, "every knee shall bow to (the Lord), and every tongue shall confess to God" (Romans 14:11), and, "with the mouth confession is made unto salvation" (Romans 10:10).

As I mentioned several months ago on FR, if I was given the task by the Lord to determine the names of those to be saved in the Book of Life, I would have to include everyone. Otherwise I break the Law (the Law of the Lord as stated in Matthew 7:12). It is also written, "The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance" (2 Peter 3:9). Therefore, my previous interpretation of "all come to him and he casts none out" is possible. Of course, "with God all things are possible" (Matthew 19:26).

212 posted on 11/28/2002 10:57:15 PM PST by PhilipFreneau
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