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Do Moslems, Christians & Jews Believe in the Same God?
frontpagemag ^ | 11/28/2002 | Serge Trifkovic

Posted on 11/28/2002 7:06:02 PM PST by TLBSHOW

Do Moslems, Christians & Jews Believe in the Same God?

One in a series of excerpts adapted by Robert Locke from Dr. Serge Trifkovic’s new book, The Sword of the Prophet: A Politically-Incorrect Guide to Islam

One of the clichés endlessly repeated by those who would conceal the dangerous potentialities inherent in Islam is that Moslems "believe in the same God" as Christians and Jews. But this is a severe distortion of the truth, for what Moslems fundamentally believe is that they know the true nature of the God that Judaism and Christianity tell lies about. Lies for which Christians and Jews will be punished in hell. The fact that Moslems share Levantine monotheism with us thus makes them more, not less, antagonistic to us on a religious level. Hopes for reconciliation on the grounds of common monotheism, as opposed to a realistic "good fences make good neighbors" civilizational détente, are wishful thinking.

The widespread belief in the non-Muslim world that Islam accords respect to the Old Testament and the Gospels as steps in progression to Mohammad’s revelation is mistaken. Modern Muslim apologists try to stress the supposed underlying similarities and compatibility of the three faiths, but this is not the view of orthodox Islam. Muhammad’s insistence that there is a heavenly proto-Scripture and that previous "books" are merely distorted and tainted copies sent to previous nations or communities means that these scriptures are the "barbarous Koran" as opposed to the true, Arabic one. (Let’s leave aside for a minute the puzzling question of how any degree of "distortion" of the Koran could produce either an Old or a New Testament.) The Tradition also regards the non-canonical Gospel of Barnabas, and not the New Testament, as the one that Jesus taught. The Koran alone is the true word of God and sets aside all previous revelations.

While the influence of orthodox Christianity upon the Koran has been slight, apocryphal and heretical Christian legends are the second most important original source of Islam. In other words, Islam contains an awful lot that Christians have deliberately rejected over the years as religiously unsound. There are also influences of Sabaism, of Zoroastrianism, and of ancient Arabian paganism, including the divine sanction for the practices of polygamy and slavery. The reports in both the Koran and the Hadith (authoritative traditional sayings) concerning paradise, the houris, (virgins) the youths, the jinn (genies) and the angel of death have been directly taken from the ancient books of the Zoroastrians. Zoroastrianism also originated the story that on the Day of Judgment all people will have to cross a bridge stretched across hell leading to paradise on which the unbelievers will stumble and fall down to hell.

The biblical stories been passed on to Muhammad presumably from Jewish and Christian sources, but it is probable that he never read the Old or the New Testament. Those narratives had deeply impressed him, but being incomplete and imprecise, they gave his imagination free rein. Of the books of the Old Testament he knew only of the Torah or Pentateuch and the Book of Psalms, while the Scriptures he treats collectively as "the Gospels." Muhammad took these narratives as they were given to him, and their use in the Koran amounts to random, approximate and often badly misunderstood reproduction of the Talmudic traditions and the Apocrypha. Moreover, they are of course devoid of their original contexts and of the spiritual message of the original.

Many Old Testament stories are changed beyond recognition, and can be treated as a "source" only in the most general sense. Abraham did not offer Isaac, but Ishmael, as a sacrifice. "Haman" was pharaoh’s chief minister, even though the Haman known to Jews lived in Babylon one thousand years later. Moses was picked from the river not by his sister but by his mother. A Samaritan was the one who molded the golden calf for the children of Israel and misguided them, even though Samarians arrived only after the Babylonian exile. The accounts of Moses’ life are sketchy and say nothing of his character, descent, the time he was sent as a prophet, the purpose of his mission, and where, how and why he appointed Aaron as his deputy. It does not relate the argument between them and the people of Israel, which is crucial to the story. The story of Noah reflected Muhammad’s dilemmas and difficulties rather than Noah’s mission, and even the names of the idols that Noah warns against are Arabic.

The Koran makes reference to Jesus, Mary and events related to them, but with a critical distinction. It explicitly denies that Jesus was crucified: Allah made the Jews so confused that they crucified somebody else instead who had the likeness of Christ: "They slew him not nor crucified but it appeared so unto them." Muslims claim that an impostor by the name of Shabih was crucified, and he resembled Jesus in his face only. It seems illogical to those who count "proud" as one of the "99 most beautiful names of Allah" that Jesus, who was capable of raising the dead and of healing the blind and the leper, willingly submitted to the cross and failed to destroy the Jews who intended to hurt him. Islam rejects the whole concept of the crucifixion, claiming that it is against reason to assume that Allah would not forgive man’s sins without the cross: to say so is to limit his power: "He forgives whom he will, and he chastises whom he will."

The denial of the Trinity is also explicit: Allah begets not, i.e. he is no Father; and was not begotten, that is, he is no Son; and no one is like him, which means he is no Holy Spirit. "They are infidels who say, Allah is the third of three." But "Isa" is not the Son of Allah, only a special prophet, and the Christians’ contrary claim shows how they are perverted. The Christians are guilty of blasphemy because of their belief in the "trinity" of Allah, Mary, and Jesus. The "real" Jesus was a righteous prophet and a good Muslim who paved the way for the final prophet, Muhammad himself.

There is a wishful myth in circulation among liberals that Islam accords respect to all "people of the book," i.e. Christians and Jews in addition to Moslems. While Islam indeed accords them a higher standing than it does to polytheists like Hindus (pace the question of whether Hinduism properly understood is truly polytheistic) or African animists, this hardly amounts to respect. Of all the "people of the book" only Muslims can attain salvation. Jews’ and Christians’ refusal to acknowledge Mohammed as the messenger of God dooms them to unbelief and eternal suffering after death. Christians are mortal sinners because of their belief in the divinity of Christ, and their condemnation is irrevocable: "God will forbid him the garden and the fire will be his abode."

Unlike the Christian faith in God revealing Himself through Christ, the Koran is not a revelation of Allah – a heretical concept in Islam – but the direct revelation of his commandments and the communication of his law. It has been said that the Koran, to a Muslim, is not the perfected Gospel, it Christ, the Word Incarnate. This is a somewhat tenuous metaphor, however, not a valid parallel: Christian God "comes down" and seeks man because of His fatherly love. The Fall cast a shadow, the Incarnation makes reconciliation possible. Allah, by contrast, is cold, haughty, unpredictable, unknowable, capricious, distant, and so purely transcendent that no "relationship" is possible. He reveals only his will, not himself. Allah is "everywhere," and therefore nowhere relevant to us. He is uninterested in making our acquaintance, let alone in being near to us because of love. We are still utterly unable to grasp his purposes and all we can do is what we have to do, to obey his command.

The Koran claims to be the fulfillment of a religious design which was imperfectly revealed to the Jews and to the Christians. It is the crowning synthesis, the final word. But viewing the matter objectively, leaving aside for a moment the question of the actual truth of the book, it seems hard to see how the Koran is a synthesis of anything. The way in which Christianity makes sense – again, simply as a logical matter and leaving aside the truth of it – as a fulfillment of Judaism, is clear even to the unbeliever. But the Koran’s claim is singularly implausible. Non-Muslim commentators fail to see in what way is the Koran an improvement over, or advancement on, the moral teaching, language, style, or coherence of the Old and New Testament. It is looks, feels, sounds like a construct entirely human in origin and intent, clear in its earthly sources of inspiration and the fulfillment of the daily needs, personal and political, of its author.

Finally, one cannot ignore that whatever mildly friendly things the Koran may say about Judaism and Christianity in its early part, the late Surras also signify the final break with the Jews and Christians, who are fiercely denounced. The Muslims must be merciless to the unbelievers but kind to each other. "Whoso of you makes them his friends is one of them." War, not friendship, is mandatory until Islam reigns everywhere. Muslims are ordered to fight the unbelievers, "and let them find harshness in you." They must kill the unbelievers "wherever you find them." The punishment for resistance is execution or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides. By the stage in his life during which these Surras were written, Muhammad was no longer trying to convert his hearers by examples, promises, and warnings; he addresses them as their master and sovereign, praising them or blaming them for their conduct, giving laws and precepts as needed. His raw dogmatism stands, finally, naked of all pretence.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: catholiclist; christians; god; jews; moslems
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To: rastus macgill
Show me any evidence other than from the fictional imaginary book Roots, that even one Muslim ever lived in the USA before the year (say) 1840.
101 posted on 11/28/2002 9:14:52 PM PST by crystalk
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To: mathurine
Now, I know that it's considered blasphemy to even suggest this on FR, but what if there are one or two Muslims who do not hate the US and who do not promote violence against followers of other religions? Would you seperate those out, or would you have them shot as well, simply blaming them through association?
102 posted on 11/28/2002 9:15:30 PM PST by Dimensio
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To: crystalk
IMHO it protects only Christianity whether Roman, Greek, or Protestant, and Judaism.

You're serious?

104 posted on 11/28/2002 9:16:09 PM PST by realpatriot71
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To: crystalk
There was not a single Muslim alive in the USA when that passage you quote was written, and it is highly dubious as a matter of constitutional law that it protects Islam or any other religion not in existence in the USA at that time.

IMHO it protects only Christianity whether Roman, Greek, or Protestant, and Judaism.

That's an interpretation I've not yet heard. I guess you assume that the Second Amendment only protects muskets, and that the First Amenement does not apply to electronic media.

105 posted on 11/28/2002 9:16:50 PM PST by Commie Basher
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To: modern_orthodox
If there is a Trinity, there are all sorts of varying theories about how it works out. Each variation basically thinks the other has the wrong conception ... I should say so! Groan. You should read the polemics about the "Filoque" controversy - does the Holy Spirit proceed from the Father? Or from the Father and the Son? Very hot arguments, and everyone defining each other as a heretic and blasphemer.
106 posted on 11/28/2002 9:16:56 PM PST by BlackVeil
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To: crystalk
That'll be a challenge; I do not believe any were here before that year.
107 posted on 11/28/2002 9:17:47 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: CanisMajor2002
The Constitution may protect a thousand things, including gun ownership [yes, I AM chuckling]...

but not as RELIGION. As Religion, only Judaism and Christianity are protected.

108 posted on 11/28/2002 9:17:59 PM PST by crystalk
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To: SickOfItAll
Somebody wants to get rid of us. It's very evident.

The first "somebody" to be blamed is Satan.

109 posted on 11/28/2002 9:18:50 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: crystalk
But he does not command US to go out and murder persons for imagined slights, as Islam does, and You Know That Just as Well as I.

On the contrary, in Leviticus, God orders people to stone blasphemers -- it's in an above post -- so You Know That Just as Well as I.

110 posted on 11/28/2002 9:19:48 PM PST by Commie Basher
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To: crystalk
IMHO it protects only Christianity whether Roman, Greek, or Protestant, and Judaism.

Fortunately, your opinion does not match the opinion of any known court in this country.
111 posted on 11/28/2002 9:19:56 PM PST by Dimensio
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To: crystalk
As Religion, only Judaism and Christianity are protected.

Can you point out in the US Constitution where exactly it specificies that only Christianity and Judaism are 'protected' religions? Perhaps a US Supreme Court case that has such a finding (and that has not been superceded)?
112 posted on 11/28/2002 9:21:01 PM PST by Dimensio
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To: Commie Basher
Commie Basher, big difference it seems to me between man killing another as punishment for sins and God killing a man or group for sins. Don't you wish Allah would do the killing when someone "blasmphemes" him or his evil prophet instead of requiring Muslims to kill for him?
113 posted on 11/28/2002 9:21:13 PM PST by fatidic
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To: crystalk
As Religion, only Judaism and Christianity are protected.

Do you have any understanding of "natural rights"?

114 posted on 11/28/2002 9:21:19 PM PST by realpatriot71
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To: sarasmom
It certainly is not a "religion of peace"
115 posted on 11/28/2002 9:22:34 PM PST by brightx
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To: crystalk
The Constitution may protect a thousand things, including gun ownership [yes, I AM chuckling]... but not as RELIGION. As Religion, only Judaism and Christianity are protected.

So this debate extends to what is a religion. Of course, Webster is not God, who can trump anything I'm about to say here :), but:

re·li·gion   
n.

    1. Belief in and reverence for a supernatural power or powers regarded as creator and governor of the universe.
    2. A personal or institutionalized system grounded in such belief and worship.
  1. The life or condition of a person in a religious order.
  2. A set of beliefs, values, and practices based on the teachings of a spiritual leader.
  3. A cause, principle, or activity pursued with zeal or conscientious devotion.
Not sure the spirtual leader has to be correct!
117 posted on 11/28/2002 9:23:37 PM PST by CanisMajor2002
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To: crystalk
Texts written by Ga and SC slaves if you think they are forgeries look at the demographic/cultural population sold into slavery in Africa and transported to this country.
Aside from that America has always been a DIVERSE country in the literal since( not the PC thought control perversion)
Muslims were with the Spanish at the earliest Euro incursion and as travellers,sailors , merchants
118 posted on 11/28/2002 9:23:41 PM PST by rastus macgill
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To: annflounder
"...conversion to some more rational religion, like maybe voodoo, santaray, rastifari....."

Haili Unlikely - perennial pretender to the Ethiopian Throne.
119 posted on 11/28/2002 9:24:52 PM PST by jocon307
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To: Commie Basher
No, the Second Amendment IMO applies to firearms, and mere technical improvement does not render them unprotected, and protects speech and the press, and the mere improvements such as Linotype, Radio, etc are just fast ways to speak, or to "print," including what I am doing now. Those are human technologies.

Similarly, Jerry Falwell's Thomas Road Baptist Church did not exist in 1787, but as a form of Christianity its rights are [or ought to be, I AM chuckling remember] protected by the Consitution.

But Franklin and Jefferson* and Washington would have been horrified to think the evil superstition of the Turk and the Barbary Pirate was protected under the Consitution they were writing.

Yes, Virginia, I know Jefferson was in Paris when the Constitution was being written, but as author of the Declaration of Indep and the Statute of Va for Rel Freedom, he was the de facto source of the Const provision for "F of Relig."

120 posted on 11/28/2002 9:25:09 PM PST by crystalk
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