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Bin Laden tape a fake, Swiss lab says
The Toronto Star (Canada) ^ | Nov. 28, 2002. 06:23 PM | AP

Posted on 11/28/2002 6:02:05 PM PST by FreedomCalls

Scientists compared recording to 20 other tapes of terror chief

PARIS (AP) - The latest audiotape statement attributed to accused terrorist mastermind Osama bin Laden is not authentic, a Swiss research institute said. The Lausanne-based Dalle Molle Institute for Perceptual Artificial Intelligence said it is 95-per-cent certain the tape does not feature the voice of the long-absent terrorist leader.

The review of the tape was commissioned by France-2 television and its findings were presented by the institute's Professor Herve Boulard in a special TV report shown late Thursday.

He said the institute compared the voice on the tape, first aired two weeks ago on Al-Jazeera, an Arabic television network, with some 20 earlier recordings of bin laden.

U.S. experts maintain the tape will likely never be fully authenticated because its poor quality defies complete analysis by even the most sophisticated voice-print technology.

But U.S. experts who have heard it generally support the conclusion by U.S. law-enforcement officials that it probably is bin Laden speaking.

In the tape, the speaker refers to recent terrorist strikes U.S. officials believe are connected to bin Laden's Al Qaeda network. If fully verified, it would provide the first evidence in a year that bin Laden survived U.S. bombing in Afghanistan.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: alqaeda; binladen; osama; terror
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To: FreedomCalls
Worm food, maybe 9 months ago.
22 posted on 11/28/2002 6:17:06 PM PST by Semper Paratus
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To: FreedomCalls
This Swiss institute sounds like a pretty cool place. They're hiring computer programmers:
About IDIAP

The Dalle Molle Institute for Perceptual Artificial Intelligence (IDIAP, http://www.idiap.ch) is a research institute located in Martigny (Valais, Switzerland) and affiliated with the Swiss Federal Institute of Technology at Lausanne (EPFL) and the University of Geneva. IDIAP is funded by the Swiss Federal Government, the State of Valais, and the City of Martigny, and it is also involved in numerous national and international projects.

The primary focus of IDIAP’s research is speech and speaker recognition, computer vision, and machine learning, and the development of novel multimodal systems to explore new applications for these technologies. IDIAP currently numbers around 45-55 scientists from more than 20 countries, including permanent senior scientists, postdocs, and PhD students. The institute is growing quickly and provides an exciting and supportive environment for doing research and developing innovative software applications.

Location

IDIAP is located in the town of Martigny in Valais, a scenic region in the south-west corner of Switzerland, surrounded by some of the highest mountains in Europe, and offering abundant recreational activities including hiking, climbing and skiing, as well as varied cultural activities. It is less than an hour away from Montreux, Lausanne (EPFL), and Lake Geneva, and centrally located for convenient travel to other parts of Europe.


23 posted on 11/28/2002 6:18:09 PM PST by The Great Satan
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To: dubyaismypresident
What do you think became of that little piece of excrement Ayman Al-Zawahiri?
24 posted on 11/28/2002 6:19:03 PM PST by Hazzardgate
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To: FreedomCalls
Naw, if Elvis, James Dean and Andy Kaufman could fake their deaths, why couln't Binnie?!
25 posted on 11/28/2002 6:19:04 PM PST by Revolting cat!
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To: FreedomCalls
U.S. experts maintain the tape will likely never be fully authenticated because its poor quality defies complete analysis by even the most sophisticated voice-print technology.

Maybe I'm just going senile, but didn't the "experts" first say that they were 95% sure it was bin Laden's voice because the tape was of such good quality?

26 posted on 11/28/2002 6:19:08 PM PST by CFC__VRWC
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To: RANGERAIRBORNE
How bout if the NYT just gives him a byline on their editorial page?

Pray for GW and the Troops

27 posted on 11/28/2002 6:21:01 PM PST by bray
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To: Hazzardgate
Perhaps the CIA want the forgers to think we've been conned by the fake tape?

Bingo! We would like them to continue making as many tapes as they can!

If OBL was declared dead, the naysayers would be out in force. The admin left themselves some wiggle room by saying they were 90% certain.

OBL is under a 100 tons of rock in Tora Bora.

28 posted on 11/28/2002 6:21:04 PM PST by Cold Heat
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To: joesnuffy
He's dead again..

And only one week after Time Magazine had resurrected him....

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29 posted on 11/28/2002 6:21:09 PM PST by Polybius
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To: Polybius
And only one week after Time Magazine had resurrected him....

Damn, have to go back to Al Gore as Man of the Year.

30 posted on 11/28/2002 6:22:40 PM PST by Semper Paratus
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To: The Great Satan
Well it does sound like that kind of thing is their bag.

I think they are correct, and the scumbag is dead.

31 posted on 11/28/2002 6:25:17 PM PST by yarddog
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To: CFC__VRWC
Maybe I'm just going senile, but didn't the "experts" first say that they were 95% sure it was bin Laden's voice because the tape was of such good quality?

No, they didn't. The only specifics I've seen on why they concluded it was probably real is the story that claimed the US authorities played the tape to to Ramzi Binalshibh at Camp X-Ray, and he said, "Yip, that's Osama." But, in the words of a famous British call girl, "He would say that, wouldn't he?"

32 posted on 11/28/2002 6:26:18 PM PST by The Great Satan
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To: FreedomCalls
U.S. experts maintain the tape will likely never be fully authenticated because its poor quality defies complete analysis by even the most sophisticated voice-print technology.

That's been my opinion from the beginning -- if the raw information just isn't there, it doesn't matter how sophisticated your technology is.

33 posted on 11/28/2002 6:26:21 PM PST by steve-b
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To: FreedomCalls
It is a very well executed Iraqi forgery.

Laden is laiden under 100 tons of the finest Tora Bora rock.

34 posted on 11/28/2002 6:27:25 PM PST by AmericaUnited
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To: dubyaismypresident

35 posted on 11/28/2002 6:27:28 PM PST by arkady_renko
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To: Polybius
Why can't we catch him? Uh, because he's dead, that's why.
36 posted on 11/28/2002 6:27:53 PM PST by The Great Satan
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To: FreedomCalls
"...I, Bin Laden, congratulate the fighters who succesfully destroyed the (snip)french tanker(snip), as well as the (snip) Bali nightclub(snip), and exhort Jihadists to continue the struggle against Western infidels....blah, blah, blah"

How hard is it to cut and paste previous speeches and blatherings? It is apparently in our interests to continue the myth that this atomized piece of crap is still alive.

37 posted on 11/28/2002 6:28:17 PM PST by guitfiddlist
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To: The Great Satan
No, they didn't. The only specifics I've seen on why they concluded it was probably real is the story that claimed the US authorities played the tape to to Ramzi Binalshibh at Camp X-Ray, and he said, "Yip, that's Osama." But, in the words of a famous British call girl, "He would say that, wouldn't he?"

That's what I get for listening to the liberal media - you'd think I'd know better by now. Thanks!

38 posted on 11/28/2002 6:29:24 PM PST by CFC__VRWC
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To: FreedomCalls
He sleeps with the 72 swine!
39 posted on 11/28/2002 6:30:31 PM PST by F-117A
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To: RANGERAIRBORNE
Ever heard of PhotoShop? I could put together a picture of Bin Laden holding up that NYT in ten minutes (if you want sound and motion, that will cost extra!)

An image has a lot more information than an audio tape, and a moving image has still more. That makes it a lot harder to avoid leaving clues that would reveal a fake.

That said, if your tape was the video equivalent of the recent audio tape (that is, if it looked like it had been shot by moonlight in the fog with a hand-cranked camera loaded with old film stock), I'd suspect it of being a fake delibarately shot in such a way that it would be hard to find the flaws in the low-quality image.

40 posted on 11/28/2002 6:30:52 PM PST by steve-b
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