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Is it possible to create a political socioeconomic system in which nobody has to work?
Fantasy vanity | November 26, 2002 | Momaw Nadon

Posted on 11/26/2002 6:27:01 PM PST by Momaw Nadon

I hate my job. I wish I could live a comfortable life without having to work.

Can the best and brightest Freeper minds devise a way of life in which nobody has to work, yet we are all living comfortably?

There could be a technological solution to this problem.

What if we created intelligent robots to do our work for us, while we all relax and enjoy life?

The pace of advances in computer technology is increasing and a solution to the problem of having to go to work may occur in this century.

My hope is that we will all be able to live in a leisure class like the idle rich.

How can this be implemented?

Who would own the robots: individuals, the government, or corporations?

My challenge to all at Free Republic is to devise a Constitution of a political socioeconomic system in which nobody has to work but in which we are all wealthy.


Any takers?


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Technical; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: ai; automation; freedom; future; leisureclass; plantation; robot; roboticworker; slave; slavery; wealth; work
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To: Momaw Nadon
Samir: No one is this country can ever pronounce my name right. It's not that hard: Nayee-Nanajar. Nayeenanajar.

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Michael Bolton: There WAS nothing wrong with it. Until I was about 12 years old, and that no-talent-ass-clown BECAME famous and started winning Grammy's.

Samir: Why don't you just go by Mike, instead of Michael?

Michael Bolton: No way! Why should I change it? He's the one who sucks.
41 posted on 11/26/2002 6:51:40 PM PST by vikingchick
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To: Momaw Nadon
I wish I could live a comfortable life without having to work.

Many people are too busy working and take no time to discover their natural God given gifts. When one finds their bliss, they find peace, joy, fulfillment and work becomes play.

42 posted on 11/26/2002 6:52:54 PM PST by slimer
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To: Mark
"If you are talking about a single country and not the entire world, then yes. If you lived in a country that has control of a needed product, like oil in the present time, it could be set up for all to live in luxury. "

Saudi Arabia has that luxury today. The question is WHY should those in power set anything up for anyone not in power to live in luxury. Who will make them? Why?

43 posted on 11/26/2002 6:53:09 PM PST by Mark Felton
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To: timm22
RE # 35:

I think that in your scenario the robots would have to be programmed to know that they are programmed and consequently be enabled to alter their programs, that is in effect to match the skills of the humans who initially created them. This is, I think, the paradox which effectively nixes the whole idea.(Hasn't some well known writer written about it?)

44 posted on 11/26/2002 6:53:53 PM PST by Revolting cat!
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To: Momaw Nadon
My challenge to all at Free Republic is to devise a Constitution of a political socioeconomic system in which nobody has to work but in which we are all wealthy.

Quit mixing up economics and politics, and you'll be a step ahead! Governmental entities are a net drag to an economic system.

The solution you're looking for is an economic one only. That being said, it's an impossibility except in the shortest of short terms. It's like economic perpetual motion.

45 posted on 11/26/2002 6:54:39 PM PST by Oberon
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To: Mark Felton
You can stop working right now. Go ahead and stop. You will be cared for. You can get a check from the welfare dept. You will have healthcare AND you can enjoy yourself all day long watching TV.

Go ahead. We don't need robots. You can stop right now and have a life of luxury and good health superior to even the wealthiest man 100 years ago. You can go on the dole and have a quality of life SUPERIOR to Abraham Lincoln.

Why don't you? WHY?

Because I am a conservtive and do not believe in stealing what other people have earned

46 posted on 11/26/2002 6:56:11 PM PST by Momaw Nadon
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To: Mark Felton
Why the hostility? I'm merely pointing out a likely variation of how the future will unfold. It's not meant as a personal endorsement or condemnation - just a neutral assessment. Whenever the time comes, it'll seem perfectly natural to most of society except the always present handful of antiquarians. In other words, more or less the same as any other modern era of rapid advancements.
47 posted on 11/26/2002 6:56:18 PM PST by AntiGuv
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To: Momaw Nadon
conservtive = conservative
48 posted on 11/26/2002 6:56:59 PM PST by Momaw Nadon
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To: Momaw Nadon
Is it possible to create a political socioeconomic system in which nobody has to work?

Isn't that the system Marx created?

49 posted on 11/26/2002 6:57:07 PM PST by Always Right
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To: Momaw Nadon
Is it possible to create a political socioeconomic system in which nobody has to work?

Yes. Just have a class of non-persons doing the work for you. What would you do for money? Well if it were a country with a lot of oil say all citizens got a piece of the action and as said non-persons did the service jobs, chores and menial tasks. By non-persons I do not mean robots as you suggest, that's impractical. If you like the sounds of such a world just make sure who your parents will be before you're born.

BTW, I concur with the one post, having a job stinks. Being paid for doing your hobby is as good as it gets but having to work at something you don't like is also educational and builds character. Going broke and losing everything you've got and I mean everything is also educational and builds character. Everyone should try it at least once.

50 posted on 11/26/2002 6:58:01 PM PST by u-89
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To: vikingchick
If you could just come into on Saturday that'd be great yeahhhhhh im ah gonna need you to work on Sunday too.
51 posted on 11/26/2002 6:58:41 PM PST by weikel
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To: Always Right
Isn't that the system Marx created?

Like it or not: Isn't that the system we've been moving inexorably toward at least since FDR? The only thing which ever varies is the general rate of movement & the particular sectors of collectivization that a given administration advances.

52 posted on 11/26/2002 7:00:26 PM PST by AntiGuv
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To: Momaw Nadon
They did it on "Star Trek"...
53 posted on 11/26/2002 7:00:41 PM PST by pabianice
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To: Mark Felton
If the country is a Republic like the U.S. AND controls the majority of a needed product, then the entire country could get say, a milion dollars per year per person and keep a strong military that would need a little more bucks....ok cut that down to 1/2 million.... ok back to the robots.. that's the military! We be in charge now.
54 posted on 11/26/2002 7:01:13 PM PST by Mark
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To: ItisaReligionofPeace

55 posted on 11/26/2002 7:01:28 PM PST by Momaw Nadon
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To: vikingchick
Thanks for the chuckle.

Office Space was simply one of the best movies ever made.

56 posted on 11/26/2002 7:02:31 PM PST by BuddhaBoy
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To: Always Right
Isn't that the system Marx created?

Marx's system wasn't successful.

In his system, the people were the slaves, not robots.

And people had to work, not live lives of luxury.

57 posted on 11/26/2002 7:04:23 PM PST by Momaw Nadon
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To: Momaw Nadon
" Because I am a conservtive and do not believe in stealing what other people have earned "

But you have earned nothing at all. By what right will you claim even 1 robot to clean your toilets?

What power will you have to request even 2 robots when your neighbor has 6?

58 posted on 11/26/2002 7:04:29 PM PST by Mark Felton
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To: BuddhaBoy; weikel
It's definitely one of the best movies ever! Great dialogue.


Bob Slydell: Looks like you've been missing quite a bit of work lately.
Peter Gibbons: Well, I wouldn't say I've been MISSING it, Bob.


59 posted on 11/26/2002 7:06:41 PM PST by vikingchick
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To: Momaw Nadon
A great movie.
60 posted on 11/26/2002 7:07:50 PM PST by ItisaReligionofPeace
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