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Archaeologists Announce Discovery Of Underwater Man-Made Wall (Very Old)
China Post ^ | 11-26-2002

Posted on 11/26/2002 7:57:18 AM PST by blam

Archaeologists announce discovery of underwater man-made wall

2002/11/26
The China Post staff

Underwater archaeologists yesterday announced the discovery of a man-made wall submerged under the waters of the Pescadores Islands that could be at least six and seven thousand years old.

Steve Shieh, the head of the planning committee for the Taiwan Underwater Archaeology Institute, said the wall was discovered to the northwest of Tong-chi Island in the Pescadores towards the end of September.

The stone wall, with an average height of one meter and a width of 50 centimeters, covers a distance of over 100 meters, Hsieh said.

The wall ran along the ocean floor at depths of between 25 and 30 meters, he added.

Shieh said that divers found several places along the wall where holes were apparently filled up with pebbles, possibly in an attempt to block winds.(Maybe to keep out the rising water?)

The wall was located by a team of divers working in cooperation with the National Museum of History and the Department of Environmental Sciences at the National Sun Yat-sen University.

In August, researchers scanning waters in the area with sonar discovered what appeared to be the remnants of four to five man-made walls running along the bottom of the sea.

Please see WALL on page(I could not find a map, if you can, please post it.)

Despite difficult diving conditions, Shieh said that a team of more than ten specialists was able to ascertain the positions of at least three of the wall sections.

The proximity of the wall to a similar structure found in 1976 suggests that it may be further evidence of a pre-historical civilization.

A three meter high underwater wall was discovered by amateur divers in waters off the nearby Hu-ching (Tiger Well) Island.

British archaeologists examined the find and proclaimed that the wall was probably made between 7,000 and 12,000 years ago.

The current find stands a mere 100 meters from the site of that discovery.

Six years ago, evidence of a sunken city in the area was found when amateur divers found the remains of what appear to be city walls taking the shape of a cross on the ocean floor.

Further examination suggested the ruins were made between seven and ten thousand years ago as well, although Japanese researchers put the walls construction at between 10,000 and 80,000 years ago.

Taken together, the discoveries have helped to overturn the established notion that Taiwan's earliest aboriginal inhabitants made their way here from mainland China some 6,000 years ago.(There goes the giant hynea theory, huh?)

The underwater finds are part of a growing body of evidence suggesting the existence of civilizations older than anything previously imagined.(suprise, suprise, suprise--Gomer Pyle voice)

On this theory, entire cities ended up underwater after sea levels rose towards the end of the last Ice Age, a date cited by Plato as being some 9,600 years ago.

One of the most dramatic examples of evidence of civilizations found on ocean beds has been megalithic structures off the coast of Yonaguni-jima in Japan that have been interpreted in some circles as being built for sacrificial rites. According to Shieh, a similar structure has been located off of the shores of Taiwan's Pingtung County .

Shieh said that he and his association have plans to explore that location as well as what appears to be a man-made path on the ocean floor off of Taitung County sometime next year.


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KEYWORDS: archaeologists; archaeology; catastrophism; discovery; ggg; godsgravesglyphs; history; pescadoresislands; taiwan; underwater; wall
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To: #3Fan
That fantasy thing you keep brandishing like a crucifix:

Hebrew ESH
is similar to Indo-European *as- "to burn, glow"
and Latvian UG-uns "fire"
If you're going to recognize Indoeuropean as an early ancestor language of the sort I'm talking about, you've just punted. Game, set, match. Indoeuropean (AKA proto-Indoeuropean) is what Hebrew isn't: the last solidly identifiable common ancestral tongue of the languages in that group. So what is a citation of *as doing in there?

What your writer ignores is the Latvian UG-uns looking a lot more like ignis/agni/ogon'/..., the Indoeuropean "fire" cluster, than it does like the Hebrew. Why is that, I wonder?

741 posted on 12/02/2002 6:15:53 PM PST by VadeRetro
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To: VadeRetro
Flavius is also putting them in the territory of modern Iraq, where Assyria was.

The Euphrates goes from almost the Black Sea to the Persian Gulf so it's anywhere from the Caucusus to the steppes.

742 posted on 12/02/2002 6:16:05 PM PST by #3Fan
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To: #3Fan
Would you say that the farther west you go, the better the farmland gets?

The steppe country around the Ukraine may be the best farmland in Europe. Far better than the forests of Germany, for sure. But, if you read Caesar on the Germans, the Germans didn't give a damn about farming.

743 posted on 12/02/2002 6:18:11 PM PST by VadeRetro
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To: VadeRetro
Flavius is also putting them in the territory of modern Iraq, where Assyria was.

Well, since Assyrians are Germans, the Lost Tribes must be Celts.

Incidentally, this also proves another link between Hussein and Hitler.




744 posted on 12/02/2002 6:18:38 PM PST by Sabertooth
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To: #3Fan
He's still pointing the wrong way if he means France or Britain or Germany.
745 posted on 12/02/2002 6:20:12 PM PST by VadeRetro
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To: Constantine XIII
all your Cthulhu are belong to us

(*sigh I miss AYBABTU*)
746 posted on 12/02/2002 6:21:22 PM PST by Mr. K
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To: nanrod
The world pretty much agrees that most modern jews are descended from the Khazar kingdom and thew jews of southern Russia.

Are you sure these aren't Kenites?

747 posted on 12/02/2002 6:24:46 PM PST by #3Fan
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To: Sabertooth
My! Every bit of the length of that river is East of Israel, isn't it?
748 posted on 12/02/2002 6:25:14 PM PST by VadeRetro
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To: VadeRetro
Doesn't work. The Celts are already in Britain well before 700 BC. You seem to need from about 2000 BC to whenever. And all kinds of people recorded this but nobody knows it?

Fine. Phoenician ships and then Danite ships. So now we have ~3900 years. Thanks for helping me make my pint.

749 posted on 12/02/2002 6:26:30 PM PST by #3Fan
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To: #3Fan
point
750 posted on 12/02/2002 6:26:56 PM PST by #3Fan
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To: #3Fan
Would you say that the farther west you go, the better the farmland gets? The Israelites had reason to move west and it was because of better farmland. The Assyrians had the same reason to move west.

I understand the Ukraine is quite a breadbasket, and it's smack-dab North of the Black Sea.

Nevertheless, the movements you suggest are plausible on their face.

The problem is, nothing you've cited from Pliny thus far supports your contentions that Germans were Assyrians or that any Assyrians ever went to Germany, or any of the Celtic Lost Tribe stuff.

I haven't read Pliny, so maybe there's some better evidence there for you. What you've posted from so far, though, falls short by a fair distance.




751 posted on 12/02/2002 6:27:41 PM PST by Sabertooth
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To: #3Fan
Thanks for helping me make my pint.

Put the pint down and step away!

752 posted on 12/02/2002 6:27:41 PM PST by VadeRetro
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To: Sabertooth
Let's look at your 1st Century quote from the Jewish Roman Historian, Flavius Josephus, once again: "The Ten Tribes are beyond Euphrates till now, and are an immense multitude." What is he actually saying? Look again: "The Ten Tribes (the Lost Tribes of Israel) are (present tense, as of the 1st Century A.D.) beyond Euphrates (East of that River, from the perspectives of Rome and Israel, which are West of it) till now, (not just in the 1st Century, but in the time before then) and are an immense multitude (there are a lot of them)." So, in this quote, Josephus places the multitudes of the Ten Lost Tribes in Asia, not only in his day, but also in the time prior to that. At no time does this quote put any of the Ten Tribes in Europe. At no point does this quote suggest that the Ten Tribes became the Celts. I'm absolutely willing to consider the possibility of some or all of the members of the Ten Tribes going into Europe. I simply can't understand what you hope to demonstrate with evidence that contradicts your contention.

LOL An immense multitude needs a little more room than a riverbank. What is on the other side of the Euphrates? The Cauacusus and the steppes.

753 posted on 12/02/2002 6:29:56 PM PST by #3Fan
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To: VadeRetro
That fantasy thing you keep brandishing like a crucifix: Hebrew ESH is similar to Indo-European *as- "to burn, glow" and Latvian UG-uns "fire" If you're going to recognize Indoeuropean as an early ancestor language of the sort I'm talking about, you've just punted. Game, set, match. Indoeuropean (AKA proto-Indoeuropean) is what Hebrew isn't: the last solidly identifiable common ancestral tongue of the languages in that group. So what is a citation of *as doing in there? What your writer ignores is the Latvian UG-uns looking a lot more like ignis/agni/ogon'/..., the Indoeuropean "fire" cluster, than it does like the Hebrew. Why is that, I wonder?

You wanted relic words, I gave you relic words. You say "esh" and "ash" isn't really a match and is just a coincidence like I predicted you would.

754 posted on 12/02/2002 6:33:41 PM PST by #3Fan
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To: VadeRetro
The steppe country around the Ukraine may be the best farmland in Europe.

Then why did the Soviet Union import wheat from us?

Far better than the forests of Germany, for sure. But, if you read Caesar on the Germans, the Germans didn't give a damn about farming.

How much wheat do we export to Germany?

755 posted on 12/02/2002 6:35:43 PM PST by #3Fan
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To: VadeRetro
My! Every bit of the length of that river is East of Israel, isn't it?

"The Lost Tribes continued their Eastward trek East of the Euphrates, until they arrived at the Uttermost East. Then they boarded some Danite ships in Danang, and sailed to the Northeast through the Arctic, then Southeast East to Hibernia."

~Sum Dang Gy




756 posted on 12/02/2002 6:35:58 PM PST by Sabertooth
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To: #3Fan
LOL An immense multitude needs a little more room than a riverbank. What is on the other side of the Euphrates? The Cauacusus and the steppes.

Afghanistan, the Kasmir, and all the rest of Asia.

Not a speck of Europe, and precious few Celts. Certainly not Ireland.




757 posted on 12/02/2002 6:39:49 PM PST by Sabertooth
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To: VadeRetro
He's still pointing the wrong way if he means France or Britain or Germany.

The migrations across Europe took a thousand years and it was when the main force of the migrations reached central Europe that caused Rome to be sacked. You seem to have this vision that it took a year and was some kind of holiday trip.

758 posted on 12/02/2002 6:40:46 PM PST by #3Fan
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To: #3Fan
Then why did the Soviet Union import wheat from us?

They were Communists. Good land + bad plan = empty pantries anyway.




759 posted on 12/02/2002 6:42:18 PM PST by Sabertooth
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To: #3Fan
You wanted relic words, I gave you relic words. You say "esh" and "ash" isn't really a match and is just a coincidence like I predicted you would.

We have a mantra!

I and others show where your writer is jumping about cherry-picking words from as far afield as necessary to paint a false picture. You chant a mantra.

As has been cited often enough by your side, people about 200 years ago thought they saw some relatedness between Celtic and Hebrew. There were some misleading clues available to them--a thing which happens all too often in linguistics--and they were very enthusiastic about the idea of being descended from Lost Tribes. The idea has had a more than fair hearing as far as linguistics goes.

It just didn't work out as much fuller scholarhip was done over the next 200 years. The language families pretty much are what they are. There's little to debate. The known languages have been punched in and the computers have crunched.

760 posted on 12/02/2002 6:43:21 PM PST by VadeRetro
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