Archaeologists Announce Discovery Of Underwater Man-Made Wall (Very Old)

China Post ^ | 11-26-2002

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Archaeologists announce discovery of underwater man-made wall

2002/11/26
The China Post staff

Underwater archaeologists yesterday announced the discovery of a man-made wall submerged under the waters of the Pescadores Islands that could be at least six and seven thousand years old.

Steve Shieh, the head of the planning committee for the Taiwan Underwater Archaeology Institute, said the wall was discovered to the northwest of Tong-chi Island in the Pescadores towards the end of September.

The stone wall, with an average height of one meter and a width of 50 centimeters, covers a distance of over 100 meters, Hsieh said.

The wall ran along the ocean floor at depths of between 25 and 30 meters, he added.

Shieh said that divers found several places along the wall where holes were apparently filled up with pebbles, possibly in an attempt to block winds.(Maybe to keep out the rising water?)

The wall was located by a team of divers working in cooperation with the National Museum of History and the Department of Environmental Sciences at the National Sun Yat-sen University.

In August, researchers scanning waters in the area with sonar discovered what appeared to be the remnants of four to five man-made walls running along the bottom of the sea.

Please see WALL on page(I could not find a map, if you can, please post it.)

Despite difficult diving conditions, Shieh said that a team of more than ten specialists was able to ascertain the positions of at least three of the wall sections.

The proximity of the wall to a similar structure found in 1976 suggests that it may be further evidence of a pre-historical civilization.

A three meter high underwater wall was discovered by amateur divers in waters off the nearby Hu-ching (Tiger Well) Island.

British archaeologists examined the find and proclaimed that the wall was probably made between 7,000 and 12,000 years ago.

The current find stands a mere 100 meters from the site of that discovery.

Six years ago, evidence of a sunken city in the area was found when amateur divers found the remains of what appear to be city walls taking the shape of a cross on the ocean floor.

Further examination suggested the ruins were made between seven and ten thousand years ago as well, although Japanese researchers put the walls construction at between 10,000 and 80,000 years ago.

Taken together, the discoveries have helped to overturn the established notion that Taiwan's earliest aboriginal inhabitants made their way here from mainland China some 6,000 years ago.(There goes the giant hynea theory, huh?)

The underwater finds are part of a growing body of evidence suggesting the existence of civilizations older than anything previously imagined.(suprise, suprise, suprise--Gomer Pyle voice)

On this theory, entire cities ended up underwater after sea levels rose towards the end of the last Ice Age, a date cited by Plato as being some 9,600 years ago.

One of the most dramatic examples of evidence of civilizations found on ocean beds has been megalithic structures off the coast of Yonaguni-jima in Japan that have been interpreted in some circles as being built for sacrificial rites. According to Shieh, a similar structure has been located off of the shores of Taiwan's Pingtung County .

Shieh said that he and his association have plans to explore that location as well as what appears to be a man-made path on the ocean floor off of Taitung County sometime next year.

[blam]

"I like stuff by Baillie. He knows how to COUNT, and to QUANTIFY."

Yup. That thread linked in post #96 may be one of the best threads (and links) ever.

[Little Bill]

A number I have look up the Author, 30mm in Mexico, central and South America, pre 1492.

[Little Bill]

Kirkpatrick Sale, terrible author, wasted $30, estimates as well as any modern author.

[LostTribe]

> terrible author, wasted $30, estimates as well as any modern author.

HA! {ggg}. I appreciate the numbers, and hope his estimates are better than your opinion about him. {ggg}.

[Little Bill]

Bernardo De La Vega, one of the conquistidors reported that Montizuma sacrificed 20,000 men when he became ruler of the Aztecs, Corination feast? So the numbers could be in the ball park.

[A.J.Armitage]

What follows is very well researched, including on-site study over 2 decades and post-Doctoral work at European Universities which might allow you to visit only in order to use the rest room.

Also you're 6'4" and have an 11 inch penis, and are a multimillionaire.

[#3Fan]

Steve Shieh, the head of the planning committee for the Taiwan Underwater Archaeology Institute, said the wall was discovered to the northwest of Tong-chi Island in the Pescadores towards the end of September.

Where the hell is September? :^)

[#3Fan]

100 feet down again. I have a theory I thought of a couple of days ago that if there was a crustal displcement and it caused the North Pole to be replaced by a sea istead of dry land that this would cause more of the earth's water to avoid being trapped as ice. In other words move North America up a little and Antarctica over a little and you have two land masses on each pole able to hold a lot more ice than now since presently there isn't any land at the North pole.

[#3Fan]

That may also explain quick-frozen Siberian mammoths who died and were frozen standing up also. Our poles flip every so often, South to North and vice-versa. Scientists say that when lave flows out of a volcano that it "grains" according to the magnetic field. That tells me that there is a force in the crust of the earth wherever there is lava solidified (which is most of the earth) that will try to align with the poles of the earth's core like a compass needle. If the earth's crust were molten, then each individual molecule would simply turn with a pole switch where it sits, being able to slide against each other in a liquid state. But since the earth's crust is solid there will be an integrated force that will attempt to move the whole crust and being that the crust sits on a liquid mantle, it may be able to do that.

Something I thought of two days ago when I woke up. That's when I do my best thinking. :^)

[#3Fan]

I just saw an hour special on this site the other night. Geologist Robert Schott said that he thinks it's a natural formation, he did say that humans may have been present at the site before it was covered with water, but, they did not build it. I trust his judgement. He's the geologist that started the controversy about the age of the Sphinx being 9-10,000 years old.

He's wrong this time. There are two carved faces with headdresses.

[JudyB1938]

Thanks for pinging me. I'd read the first part of this thread. Didn't see the latter comments.

Of course, I could go without all that stupid male postering that showed up there. I guess it's a "male thing", but I'll never understand why people have to get into such ridiculous grade school diatribes. LostTribe really disappointed me by buying into it.

[RWG]

a man-made wall submerged under the waters of the Pescadores Islands that could be at least six and seven thousand years old = thirteen thousand years old, WOW!

[blam]

"A number I have look up the Author, 30mm in Mexico, central and South America, pre 1492."

I've seen the number 50+ million quoted for South America alone. The number was based on the amount of manmade waterways and raised fields in the Amazon region. When the Spanish landed, there were cities in SA larger than any in Europe.

The unique story of South America has yet to be discovered and told and I expect archaeology/anthropology will be shaken to the core when it is.

Rain Forest Researchers Hit Paydirt (Farming 11K Years Ago In South America)

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"In other words move North America up a little and Antarctica over a little and you have two land masses on each pole able to hold a lot more ice than now since presently there isn't any land at the North pole."

Maybe but, you're now into the million+ year range. Africa and South America began to split 120 million years ago. (as an example)

[blam]

"He's wrong this time. There are two carved faces with headdresses."

I saw those, probably cut into a pre-existing natural structure before it flooded.

[Redleg Duke]

So, is California trying to sue for building without a permit?

I guess this is Davis' way of covering the budget shortfall.

[white rose]

Sorry, I've been forgetting to ping you.

No problem. :-)

Is this the Indian story you were referring to?

[LostTribe]

>Also you're 6'4" and have an 11 inch penis, and are a multimillionaire.

No, but 2 out of 3 is not bad. {ggg}.

[LostTribe]

>LostTribe really disappointed me by buying into it.

Hello JudyB. You lost me. For "buying into" what???

[blam]

"Is this the Indian story you were referring to?"

Yup. There's another about some temples found underwater also. (less old)