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Bush to push for amnesty
Washington Times ^ | Saturday, November 23, 2002 | By Jerry Seper

Posted on 11/22/2002 10:47:08 PM PST by JohnHuang2

Edited on 07/12/2004 3:59:08 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

The Bush administration wants to grant amnesty to hundreds of thousands of Mexican illegal aliens now in the United States, according to the new U.S. ambassador to Mexico.

Tony Garza, sworn in this week at the White House, told reporters in Mexico City that reaching an accord legalizing the status of Mexican immigrants

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To: MissAmericanPie
they need to enforce ...what is on the books

And as the Malvo case shows, no one is willing to do that at the INS now, which is why the President has to change its culture by taking the INS out of the decision making process. The Border Patrol should have the say on who gets deported immediately upon apprehension.

And this has been going on for decades. President Bush walked into the mess AFTER it had tipped over the treshold.

When I was a Vista Volunteer in the late sixties I worked with Hispanics who were leaving the migrant worker stream in MILWAUKEE.

As a Christian, I have no animus toward any of my brothers and sisters in Christ. But this country is a life raft, and it can hold only so many refugees before the fabric that keeps it afloat gets punctured and we all sink.

The Hispanic illegals are only part of the illegal population, which includes lots of Asians and Anglos from Canada, Ireland, etc.

I think I'd win your pet if I bet you on the number, but it might not be by a great deal.

The real question is, what are we doing about it? Those of us in California who tried to do something got creamed. I'd like to figure out some kind of practical action group that could maybe do something more than gripe and support people for office like Buchanan or Tancredo who haven't a snowball's chance of ever holding power.

Maybe we could start to drop information and well reasoned opinions into letters to the editor or call in shows and our Congresspeople or whatever. Not just jump up and down and scream, but be calm and concerned about our security as we unload statistics and information, AND realistic solutions that don't sound hateful.

441 posted on 11/23/2002 11:40:32 PM PST by patriciaruth
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To: patriciaruth
I think I speak for more than myself when I say that more than a few of us regularly, or at least once, have phoned the White House, the Congress, and we are ignored.

When a stellar star like O'Reilly can beat the drums for months and be ignored, when the entire topic of the country is our border and that is ignored, they have no problem ignoring a housewife from Texas or any other Freeper.

What is needed is a physical presence, a rally in D.C., and I don't know if the needed numbers could or would show up for it. I know I would, because to me it is that important. But as a general rule, conservatives don't demonstrate or rally.
442 posted on 11/23/2002 11:52:53 PM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: MissAmericanPie; katze; Sabertooth
a rally in D.C., and I don't know if the needed numbers could or would show up

I very much doubt this will attract many sensible people. The FReeper rally in D.C. for supporting our war on terrorism was a flyspeck, and a poor showing would work against us.

Keep thinking.

One tactic the Bush administration may use in order to get a guest worker program that would keep better track of the illegal workers could be exposing exploitation of illegals with low wages and no legal protections, and encourage its passage and their participation because they will get a better deal in a guest worker program.
And if companies can't make money by importing illegals they would be more easily discouraged from hiring illegals. You could expose those companies with the blessing of the media if you had an alternative guest worker program they could be enrolled in where they wouldn't be exploited.

443 posted on 11/24/2002 12:01:11 AM PST by patriciaruth
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To: MissAmericanPie; katze; Sabertooth
a stellar star like O'Reilly can beat the drums for months and be ignored

However, he is increasing awareness. And a beefed up Border Patrol with teeth will sound positively moderate when President Bush does this when compared with O'Reilly's call for putting the Army at the border.

O'Reilly is doing a great service for President Bush.

444 posted on 11/24/2002 12:03:59 AM PST by patriciaruth
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To: MissAmericanPie; katze; Sabertooth
One thing that would discourage the Democrats and the media from giving illegals a pass would be if we could make a 50% or greater inroad into the Hispanic vote. If they realized they were letting in future Republican voters, they'd drop illegals like a hot potato.

I think our biggest and most important connection with Hispanics is religion and family and effective education for their children. I think they are getting a raw deal from the Dems. They are being led away from God and given a lousy education.

Maybe we need a much better program to explain to them the real spiritual differences in the parties, and let them know that when they vote Democrat that they are forfeiting the souls of their children.

445 posted on 11/24/2002 12:14:23 AM PST by patriciaruth
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To: ApesForEvolution
This is the web site for Tom Tancredo

http://www.house.gov/tancredo
I hope it works, you can sign up for his weekly news letter
446 posted on 11/24/2002 1:05:33 AM PST by calawah98
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To: patriciaruth
Meanwhile, we beef up accountability in education is our way of making sure the children born here (and thus American citizens

This is another issue. I don't think they should be automatically made U.S. citizens unless one of their parents is laready an American.

The rest of your analysis is pretty heady stuff. One false move on Bush's part brings the whole game to an end. And, we lose. Plus, what about the law of unintended consequnces? Happens all the time whe bureaucrats get involved. Who knows what these knee-jerk reactions to problems pose to our progeny.

447 posted on 11/24/2002 3:56:04 AM PST by raybbr
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448 posted on 11/24/2002 4:32:18 AM PST by Tuco-bad
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To: JohnHuang2
Bad as this is (and exceedingly irresponsible, IMO), what's to stop the other country leaders representing their own illegals to demand the same thing like V. Fox?

I'm anticipating a tidal wave of 'equal treatment' for all illegals from a dozen countries, not the least of which will be Middle Eastern nations. On what grounds can they then be denied their own amnesty?

Homeland Security my @$$.

449 posted on 11/24/2002 4:45:54 AM PST by Paulie
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To: Paulie
I agree.

Were there hordes of Poles or Germans or Danes or Russians would amnesty even be talked about?
450 posted on 11/24/2002 4:53:56 AM PST by raybbr
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To: SrBahamonde
BTTT!

Jorge Arbusto is out of control. Dick Armey believes this. Dan Burton believes it, too. Good enough for me.

452 posted on 11/24/2002 5:26:55 AM PST by GhostofWCooper
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To: JohnHuang2
MECha..The Voice Of AZTLAN
453 posted on 11/24/2002 5:36:39 AM PST by joesnuffy
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To: JohnHuang2
The Clintonistas could never deliver the conservatives to the NWO
454 posted on 11/24/2002 5:38:44 AM PST by joesnuffy
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To: JohnHuang2
Social Workers delight
They are all minorities..there for all the affirmative action goodies apply
Education..job entitlement...low cost tax payer funded loan programs for housing and anything else they can pad on...
Of course the default rate wont be bad...who cares let the taxpayers handle it...
Move their gangs into all the nice neighborhoods...
America will have to become a police state in order to control the internal crime wave ..
Americans will be disarmed..
Voila NWO
Just like England..using the same technique...immigration of rabble...proving that the lower classes cannot handle freedom..and must be ruled with an iron fist
455 posted on 11/24/2002 5:45:47 AM PST by joesnuffy
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To: patriciaruth
"You have to present something practical that has a chance of working."...How do you get tough about illegal immigration...when any effort to be tough leads to your immediate political demise?"

The something practical is to join the various groups of citizens arrayed along the border to help in the effort to stop illegals. This is as tough as it gets, unless we want to start shooting them on sight.

As far as one's political demise: You have to choose sides in this. You can't deal with a problem that has no political solution, with politics. This situation is a great deal more important to the country than the next several elections. The law is clear, and Americans have the right to protect their property.(And I don't mean only that property along the border. Helping those at the border helps me in the city.)

The point is for you to screw up the courage to go and stand an armed watch on the border with other right thinking and patriotic Americans. To hell with the media, and to hell with politicians who won't protect us.

456 posted on 11/24/2002 6:53:03 AM PST by wcbtinman
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To: Dog Gone
[What percentage of our workforce is comprised of illegal aliens? Do you know?]

The fact is - no one knows. That is one of the problems. It is far too many for comfort, though. I don't know percentage as that would be a very distorted figure. In Texas it would be one figure, in Wyoming it would be another - so combined, it would present a distorted figure. Now what you really need to ask is, what percentage of our taxes are going to support these people, what percentage of our education monies are being used to give special educatioin to these people, etc., - if the government has this figure, there is no way they are going to give it out.

But I love it when people attempt to obscure the facts by asking for percentages and statistics.

I will tell you my percentages. When I go to a small school that 10 years ago had no Mexican children and it now is 30% Mexican children - that is a pretty good indicator. When I go to South Dallas and most of the store fronts are in Spanish, same for other parts of that and other cities. When I know that Dallas is broke, our state is broke, one hospital says it is birthing the equivalent of a small town each month, when I travel from central TExas to HOuston and see approximately 10 highway work crews and there is not one white person on that crew, when I pass a construction site and the only white person (may be) is the supervisor - those are pretty good percentages, they are all I need.

No one knows what the percentage is - that is really an inane question. It is far too many for comfort. Now if you have some percentage you are going to spring on me - I am going to tell you to just don't go there - a percentage figure dealing with illegals here or illegals working would be terribly flawed.

457 posted on 11/24/2002 6:57:14 AM PST by nanny
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To: katze
And who is to say that terrorists aren't funding some of the these groups to get across the border--

The fact Middle Easterners are being smuggled across the border is reason enough alone to put the military there. That's what its purpose is for, to protect the US and the citizens.

458 posted on 11/24/2002 7:48:02 AM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: nanny
But I love it when people attempt to obscure the facts by asking for percentages and statistics.

Oh, my, that is probably the most bizarre statement I've seen here in quite some time.

Don't worry, I don't see any point in introducing any evidence into this discussion now. Perceptions are all that appear to matter.

459 posted on 11/24/2002 7:48:27 AM PST by Dog Gone
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To: Dog Gone
"Perceptions are all that appear to matter."

Well, you got one right, and it looks like you're for amnesty and open borders. About that "bizarre", maybe you'd do well reading what you've been writing.

460 posted on 11/24/2002 7:59:18 AM PST by katze
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