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To: nanny
But I love it when people attempt to obscure the facts by asking for percentages and statistics.

Oh, my, that is probably the most bizarre statement I've seen here in quite some time.

Don't worry, I don't see any point in introducing any evidence into this discussion now. Perceptions are all that appear to matter.

459 posted on 11/24/2002 7:48:27 AM PST by Dog Gone
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To: Dog Gone
"Perceptions are all that appear to matter."

Well, you got one right, and it looks like you're for amnesty and open borders. About that "bizarre", maybe you'd do well reading what you've been writing.

460 posted on 11/24/2002 7:59:18 AM PST by katze
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To: Dog Gone
[Don't worry, I don't see any point in introducing any evidence into this discussion now. Perceptions are all that appear to matter. ]

Now you know and I know you know that anyone can find statistics or percentages posted by any number of learned people to support any agenda they want.

Now you tell me how I, or anyone else, has a true figure of what percentage of workers are illegals? There is no answer for that - just isn't. So to suggest without some figure that is impossible to obtain, the workers must not exist, is just silly.

I have said and I will repeat - I don't need to know percentage. Percentage is totally irrelevant. The harm that is being done is there for anyone to see and for those who are living with it to feel. Does it matter if it is .1% or 50%. Much damage is being done and if as you would probably like to pose it is a small percentage - then all the worse as the amount whatever, is causing problems. Now no amount of 'Just what percent' - "just how many' "where are your statistics' just will not work in the face of the facts they are here. The problems are here. It is breaking this nation. It is breaking hospitals, cities, schools, hospitals, law enforcement agencies, and taxpayers. We do not need to know what percentage is doing this - we just need to do something about it. Can you grasp that concept? WE are not talking perception here - we are talking physical, seeing, provable facts. The people are here, the problems are here. Explain that away with percentages.

Now you come up with percentages, statistics, etc. that show me the state of TExas isn't broke, the city of Dallas isn't broke, my taxes did not double in the last three years, my auto insurance has gone out of sight, schools are not full of Mexican children. But, hey, there can't be a problem as I don't have percentages -

465 posted on 11/24/2002 10:41:40 AM PST by nanny
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To: Dog Gone
Well sports fans, Dog Gone has had a tough night a the plate. His timing is off; his swing has developed a strange hitch. We could literally feel the whole stadium flinch when he swung wildly at that pitch three feet outside the strike zone and suggested that before masses of low-wage Mexican laborers started pouring across our southern border in contravention of our laws that Americans dwelt in a land of dirty toilets and lettuceless salads.

And how about that "personal experience" crack? ...I want someone here at FR to tell us how they were beat out of a job by an illegal alien....

Man, oh man, sports fans--he really looked bad standing there as a fat, slow beach ball floated right over the middle of the plate! Another strike-out! We don't know if he seriously believes that we can't, for example, despise the immorality of racial preferences unless we can name a white man who has suffered from it. Or that men should be forbidden from forming opinions about fetal extermination because fetuses don't grow in their bodies.

While the fabled slugger Aristotle insisted that man is a creature of the polis, weak-hitting Dog Gone would have us believe that we are nothing but atomized economic units; unsuited to--perhaps even incapable of--forming opinions and making judgements using our reason and imagination. No civil society, no culture, no "rule of law". Just constant adversarial social conflict and desperate economic competition between individual workers. Certainly the rich would get more bang for their buck. And the poor? Well, they can always hope to hit it big in the lottery or a class action lawsuit. A tort lawyer's heaven. But hell for citizens. But to be a citizen you have to belong to an identifiable, quantifiable, defendable political entity, don't you?

But wait! What's this? This may be a grand slam! The bottom of the ninth and Dog Gone may have snatched victory from the gaping jaws of defeat! Back...It's way back...way back....

... We are the ones who are imposing our political will on the rest of the entire planet. Mexico ain't even a pimple....

It might be... It could be....Oh no! A huge gust of wind has suddenly blown up from over the right field bleachers! The right fielder is standing with his back to the fence. The ball seems to be suspended in the cold night air. Now it's dropping. Sort of like our spirits whenever we read that "We" are doing something. Who are "We" anyway? What has become of "We"? The "we" that taught its children that nobody is above the law? (or below?) The "We" who descended from people who gave up a bit of themselves in order to become "American" and who went to great lengths to display their affection for and loyalty to their homeland?

Who is the "we" in 30% unemployment Lewiston Maine who, without any political consultation, implanted a large group of Somalian moslem refugees there? Who is the "we" that has beem bombing Iraq almost daily for over ten years? Who thinks it's OK if apparently eternal sanctions kill Iraqi children? Who, for some still unknown reason, decided that the United States had to aid and abet the destruction of Yugoslavia? To support the establisment of an islamic polity in the Balkans? And ultimately had to demonize, bomb and ethnically cleanse the Serbs--a people who had never done anything to us except hold us in some esteem? Which "we" has been funding, arming and training moslem jihadists all over the world for nearly 30 years? Who is the "we" that is profitting from low wage, illegal immigrant labor? Who benefits from the slander that Americans won't do the work that illegal immigrants do?

What will happen when a certain portion of the American population becomes convinced that there is no longer a "we" but rather a complex, chaotic and volitile collection of "thems" and "us" held together only by the coercion of a massive government police force? What will happen when the threat of being labelled a "racist" loses its power to dismay among a significant portion of the middle class because the label is constantly used by the wealthy to silence rational, even moral, objections of the less wealthy to the social and economic destruction of the country?

No fans, what was initially perceived to be a grand slam was really just another weak fly ball. It wearily drifted down out of the lights--worn out and puny. It is now resting in the right-fielder's glove as he trots into the dugout.

Perceptions are tricky things......

466 posted on 11/24/2002 10:56:36 AM PST by LaBelleDameSansMerci
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