Posted on 11/22/2002 10:47:08 PM PST by JohnHuang2
Edited on 07/12/2004 3:59:08 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]
And as the Malvo case shows, no one is willing to do that at the INS now, which is why the President has to change its culture by taking the INS out of the decision making process. The Border Patrol should have the say on who gets deported immediately upon apprehension.
And this has been going on for decades. President Bush walked into the mess AFTER it had tipped over the treshold.
When I was a Vista Volunteer in the late sixties I worked with Hispanics who were leaving the migrant worker stream in MILWAUKEE.
As a Christian, I have no animus toward any of my brothers and sisters in Christ. But this country is a life raft, and it can hold only so many refugees before the fabric that keeps it afloat gets punctured and we all sink.
The Hispanic illegals are only part of the illegal population, which includes lots of Asians and Anglos from Canada, Ireland, etc.
I think I'd win your pet if I bet you on the number, but it might not be by a great deal.
The real question is, what are we doing about it? Those of us in California who tried to do something got creamed. I'd like to figure out some kind of practical action group that could maybe do something more than gripe and support people for office like Buchanan or Tancredo who haven't a snowball's chance of ever holding power.
Maybe we could start to drop information and well reasoned opinions into letters to the editor or call in shows and our Congresspeople or whatever. Not just jump up and down and scream, but be calm and concerned about our security as we unload statistics and information, AND realistic solutions that don't sound hateful.
I very much doubt this will attract many sensible people. The FReeper rally in D.C. for supporting our war on terrorism was a flyspeck, and a poor showing would work against us.
Keep thinking.
One tactic the Bush administration may use in order to get a guest worker program that would keep better track of the illegal workers could be exposing exploitation of illegals with low wages and no legal protections, and encourage its passage and their participation because they will get a better deal in a guest worker program.
And if companies can't make money by importing illegals they would be more easily discouraged from hiring illegals. You could expose those companies with the blessing of the media if you had an alternative guest worker program they could be enrolled in where they wouldn't be exploited.
However, he is increasing awareness. And a beefed up Border Patrol with teeth will sound positively moderate when President Bush does this when compared with O'Reilly's call for putting the Army at the border.
O'Reilly is doing a great service for President Bush.
I think our biggest and most important connection with Hispanics is religion and family and effective education for their children. I think they are getting a raw deal from the Dems. They are being led away from God and given a lousy education.
Maybe we need a much better program to explain to them the real spiritual differences in the parties, and let them know that when they vote Democrat that they are forfeiting the souls of their children.
This is another issue. I don't think they should be automatically made U.S. citizens unless one of their parents is laready an American.
The rest of your analysis is pretty heady stuff. One false move on Bush's part brings the whole game to an end. And, we lose. Plus, what about the law of unintended consequnces? Happens all the time whe bureaucrats get involved. Who knows what these knee-jerk reactions to problems pose to our progeny.
Just out of curiosity - not that your gender makes a difference to me of your LOVE to me, but are you a male or female?
I am: Tuco Benedito Pacifico Juan Maria Ramirez known as “the Rat” and I am:
ROTFLMAO
I'm anticipating a tidal wave of 'equal treatment' for all illegals from a dozen countries, not the least of which will be Middle Eastern nations. On what grounds can they then be denied their own amnesty?
Homeland Security my @$$.
Jorge Arbusto is out of control. Dick Armey believes this. Dan Burton believes it, too. Good enough for me.
The something practical is to join the various groups of citizens arrayed along the border to help in the effort to stop illegals. This is as tough as it gets, unless we want to start shooting them on sight.
As far as one's political demise: You have to choose sides in this. You can't deal with a problem that has no political solution, with politics. This situation is a great deal more important to the country than the next several elections. The law is clear, and Americans have the right to protect their property.(And I don't mean only that property along the border. Helping those at the border helps me in the city.)
The point is for you to screw up the courage to go and stand an armed watch on the border with other right thinking and patriotic Americans. To hell with the media, and to hell with politicians who won't protect us.
The fact is - no one knows. That is one of the problems. It is far too many for comfort, though. I don't know percentage as that would be a very distorted figure. In Texas it would be one figure, in Wyoming it would be another - so combined, it would present a distorted figure. Now what you really need to ask is, what percentage of our taxes are going to support these people, what percentage of our education monies are being used to give special educatioin to these people, etc., - if the government has this figure, there is no way they are going to give it out.
But I love it when people attempt to obscure the facts by asking for percentages and statistics.
I will tell you my percentages. When I go to a small school that 10 years ago had no Mexican children and it now is 30% Mexican children - that is a pretty good indicator. When I go to South Dallas and most of the store fronts are in Spanish, same for other parts of that and other cities. When I know that Dallas is broke, our state is broke, one hospital says it is birthing the equivalent of a small town each month, when I travel from central TExas to HOuston and see approximately 10 highway work crews and there is not one white person on that crew, when I pass a construction site and the only white person (may be) is the supervisor - those are pretty good percentages, they are all I need.
No one knows what the percentage is - that is really an inane question. It is far too many for comfort. Now if you have some percentage you are going to spring on me - I am going to tell you to just don't go there - a percentage figure dealing with illegals here or illegals working would be terribly flawed.
The fact Middle Easterners are being smuggled across the border is reason enough alone to put the military there. That's what its purpose is for, to protect the US and the citizens.
Oh, my, that is probably the most bizarre statement I've seen here in quite some time.
Don't worry, I don't see any point in introducing any evidence into this discussion now. Perceptions are all that appear to matter.
Well, you got one right, and it looks like you're for amnesty and open borders. About that "bizarre", maybe you'd do well reading what you've been writing.
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