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A lesson from Condoleezza Rice
Boston Globe | 11-20-02 | By Derrick Z. Jackson,

Posted on 11/20/2002 10:05:47 AM PST by Temple Owl

A lesson from Condoleezza Rice

By Derrick Z. Jackson, 11/20/2002

WASHINGTON

CONDOLEEZZA RICE was reminded of her decision to become a Republican after the 1984 Democratic National Convention. She said the Democratic Party's speeches to ''women, minorities, and the poor'' really meant ''helpless people and the poor.'' In a profile in The Washington Post, Rice said, ''I decided I'd rather be ignored than patronized.''

The national security adviser to President Bush was asked if she thinks the Democratic Party still patronizes ''women, minorities, and the poor.'' Laughing, she declined to answer the specific question last week before the Trotter Group, an organization of African-American columnists. But her answer was as riveting as if she had actually gone on to trash the Democrats.

''The fact of the matter is, race matters in America,'' Rice said. ''It has, it always has ... It is not that I mind being associated with the group. I am African-American and proud of it. I wouldn't have it any other way. And it has shaped who I am and it will continue to shape who I am.

''I do not believe it has limited who I am or what I can become. And that's because I had parents who, while telling me what it meant to be African-American and exposing me to that, also allowed me to develop as an individual to be who I wanted to be.''

Rice said the 1963 church bombing in Birmingham that killed four girls, including friend Denise McNair, shaped her views on the war on terrorism. ''If you've been through home-grown terrorism,'' Rice said, ''you recognize there isn't any cause that can be served by it ... Because what it's meant to do is end the conversation.''

In profiles, Rice talks about being hollered at as a child by a white store clerk for touching a hat. Rice's mother told the clerk ''Don't you talk to my daughter that way!'' Her mother then said, ''Now, Condoleezza, you go and touch every hat in this store.''

That reminded me of around 1965 when I was about 10. I bought comic books and ice cream in a drug store in DeKalb, Miss. Later, my grandfather informed me that was the ''white folks'' drug store. He could have berated me for breaking white folks' rules. Instead, he smiled and said, ''Good.''

For me, not accepting racial barriers would mean going on to little things like being on the first integrated child championship bowling team at a particular alley in Milwaukee, then bigger things like sportswriting when there were few African-Americans covering pro teams for major newspapers.

For Rice, it meant parents who ''didn't say to me, `You know, it's really weird for a black girl from Birmingham, Ala., to want to be a Soviet specialist.''' Rice said that she liked Motown, the blues, and funk music like most of her friends, but her parents drove her to learn Brahms. Rice has often said bluntly that she had to master the white world better than a whole lot of white people to succeed.

''Sometimes when we say to our kids, `You are a minority,' we don't say it in a way that says it is part of who you are, we say it as if it's an impediment that cannot be overcome by hard work and access to education and all of those things,'' Rice said. ''And I just think the messages are wrong when there is only focus on what group you happen to belong to, rather than the group is part of who you are, but also, who you are is who you are as an individual.

''We don't talk about it very much, but, yes ... it is a very good thing for the rest of the world that when Colin Powell and I walk in with the president of the United States, we are there as secretary of state and national security adviser, because I think it says to people that there aren't boundaries in which black Americans are not supposed to play ... I think it's an extremely important message to our kids. That's why I talk so much about the individual. It's not to deny the group, but I really think it's important that we appeal to each individual's worth and capability.''

Such reflections do not make Rice's political views and America's global arrogance any more appealing to me. But those who dismiss her as a hotheaded cold war queen miss a chance to dwell on her focus and drive. Unlike many black conservatives who shout louder than white ''color-blind'' conservatives that race no longer matters, Rice has no problem saying race matters, and since it is so, black folks had better work to get the most out of their individual talents.

In a Newsweek interview last year, Rice said, ''It wasn't as if someone said, `You have to be twice as good' and `isn't that a pity' or `isn't that wrong.' It was just, `You have to be twice as good.''' One does not have to like Rice's politics to appreciate how being twice as good has made her the most powerful woman in the world.


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To: Tuco-bad
Geez - someone people on this thread would rather fight than debate the issues.

Some people would rather cherry-pick posts than to debate rationally.

I'm done dealing with your lies and skewed vision of reality. Let's just suffice it to say that you have some sort of personal problem with Dr. Rice. Whether it's political, ideological, or racial, I don't know, nor care. You have made a determination that you will manufacture evidence to support your fallacies. And you truly are someone worth pitying. I pity you because you'll never grow beyond your pettiness.

Good day, Mr. "Ugly."

61 posted on 11/20/2002 1:52:29 PM PST by mhking
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To: Tuco-bad
You haven't debated an issue in your life.
62 posted on 11/20/2002 1:52:32 PM PST by discostu
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To: discostu
The CRA has no impact on the veracity of Miss Rice's story.

Believe what you wish.

63 posted on 11/20/2002 1:54:50 PM PST by Tuco-bad
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To: Tuco-bad
You've already admitted that some businesses were still segragated. You "doubt" a drug store would be, but you provide no reason for said doubt. You've already lost this debate but you're too much of a coward to admit it. Eli Wallach should kick your ass, Tuco was a lot of things but he was niether a coward nor a liar, you're both.
64 posted on 11/20/2002 1:56:30 PM PST by discostu
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To: TheLion
This article is a bunch of racist tripe, probably taken totally out of context....as to her remarks.

Actually the article is a good one. The remarks on this post however, have changed a positive story in a pile of racist tripe. Get with it guys. Condi Rice is a beautiful, bright and much respected American. Let's give her our support.

65 posted on 11/20/2002 2:05:37 PM PST by Temple Owl
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To: discostu
You've already lost this debate but you're too much of a coward to admit it. Eli Wallach should kick your ass, Tuco was a lot of things but he was niether a coward nor a liar, you're both.

Tuco's Criminal Record"

66 posted on 11/20/2002 2:14:17 PM PST by Tuco-bad
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To: mhking
Let's just suffice it to say that you have some sort of personal problem with Dr. Rice. Whether it's political, ideological, or racial, I don't know, nor care.

Let's just suffice it to say that you have some sort of personal admiration with Dr. Rice. Whether it's political, ideological, or racial, I don't know, nor care.

67 posted on 11/20/2002 2:16:12 PM PST by Tuco-bad
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To: Tuco-bad
Afraid of the topic? Let's remind you:
Were some drug store still defacto (and illegally) segrated in the year of our lord nineteen hundred and sixty five?

Which would therefore make it probably the Miss Rice's story is true and FR's favorite punk Tuco-bad is, once again, full of crap.
68 posted on 11/20/2002 2:18:35 PM PST by discostu
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To: discostu
You haven't debated an issue in your life.

I guess I haven't been posting here.

69 posted on 11/20/2002 2:21:19 PM PST by Tuco-bad
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To: discostu
Which would therefore make it probably the Miss Rice's story is true and FR's favorite punk Tuco-bad is, once again, full of crap.

And perhaps I'm correct.

70 posted on 11/20/2002 2:22:50 PM PST by Tuco-bad
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To: Tuco-bad
I never threatened you. Stop being paranoid.

Shine on you crazy diamond.
Coming soon: Tha SYNDICATE.
101 things that the Mozilla browser can do that Internet Explorer cannot.

71 posted on 11/20/2002 2:24:56 PM PST by rdb3
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To: Tuco-bad
To quote one of my favorite philosophers:
yeah and monkeys will fly out of my butt

You started this off by calling her story a fairy tale claiming that all segregation had been elliminated by the CRA. Since then you've agreed that, though illegal, segregation clearly and demonstrably existed in the post CRA world. Though you "doubt" a drug store would be segregated (and I'm gonna keep throwing that in your face until you explain why you "doubt" that). Clearly at this point Dr Rice's story is withing the realm of possibility and not a "fairy tale". So you are WRONG. Not only are you WRONG but you clearly owe Dr. Rice an apology. Gonna be a man about it?
72 posted on 11/20/2002 2:26:20 PM PST by discostu
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To: Tuco-bad
There's a big difference between posting and debating. While it's true you regularly waste FR bandwidth, even the most open definition of the word "debate" doesn't cover what you do. You lie, you slander, you insist you're right after having been clearly proven wrong, you demand others present facts even after they have, yet you consistly are unwilling to bring forth any fact supporting your position. That's not debate, that never will be debate, the fact that you think it is shows how ignorant you are.
73 posted on 11/20/2002 2:28:43 PM PST by discostu
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To: Tuco-bad
And perhaps I'm correct.

That would have to be entirely accidental since you've been unable to support nearly everything you've said here.

74 posted on 11/20/2002 2:28:45 PM PST by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: Temple Owl
None of you have any idea what she stands for! She gets a pass, like Powell did, because she fits a condescending and idealized model of a candidate. She has NEVER publicly discussed her views on a host of issues. Heck, she doesn't even take a Realist approach to foreign policy like true conservatives do. Have you heard her views on foreign policy? She stated at the Nitze School that she wants (not just predicts) a global convergence towards a "common culture" -- she is a globalist at heart.
75 posted on 11/20/2002 2:29:19 PM PST by CaptIsaacDavis
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To: discostu
it is shows how ignorant you are.

I assure you I am much more educated than you.

I assure you I am much more knowledgeable than you.

76 posted on 11/20/2002 2:33:11 PM PST by Tuco-bad
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To: discostu
Not only are you WRONG but you clearly owe Dr. Rice an apology.

Why do you defend Rice?

Don't you place any blame on her for 9/11?

77 posted on 11/20/2002 2:34:17 PM PST by Tuco-bad
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To: Tuco-bad
You can "assure me" of anything you want. But I've read your posts, I've debated with you. The truth is you hate everything having to do with conservatism and you don't know a damn thing.

Now then BACK TO TOPIC:
Why do you "doubt" that drug stores would be amung the businesses illegally segrated after the CRA of 1964?

Having accepted that businesses were still, illegally, segregated after the CRA of 1964 how can you classify Dr. Rice's story as a "fairy tale"?
78 posted on 11/20/2002 2:36:04 PM PST by discostu
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To: rdb3
I never threatened you. Stop being paranoid.

I would really like to have a face-to-face conversation with you. I truly would.

That doesn't sound like a threat?

79 posted on 11/20/2002 2:37:18 PM PST by Tuco-bad
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To: discostu
Having accepted that businesses were still, illegally, segregated after the CRA of 1964 how can you classify Dr. Rice's story as a "fairy tale"?

The implication of the story was that the drug store was legally segregated in 1965.

80 posted on 11/20/2002 2:38:31 PM PST by Tuco-bad
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