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A lesson from Condoleezza Rice
Boston Globe | 11-20-02 | By Derrick Z. Jackson,

Posted on 11/20/2002 10:05:47 AM PST by Temple Owl

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To: Tuco-bad
Why would I place blame on her for 9/11? She'd been in her position for less than a year, and since I understand a little on how criminal activities work I don't expect anybody to work miracles. Just have to look at the numbers:
19 hijackers
4 planes
280,000,000 Americans (plus tourists and visitors and illegal aliens, and diplomats, and people that don't fill out census forms)
10,000 flights a day

Now could YOU have stopped 9/11? Didn't think so. It's an imperfect world and the bad guys don't have to get lucky nearly as often as the good guys. Meanwhile the FBI and CIA had been gutted by the previous administration. The best they'd learned was that "something big" was going to happen "soon", not a lot of useful information for tracking down the 19 hijackers with.

And even if I did blame her you've still called her a liar and since your "reasoning" has been proven flawed, that alone is a reason for you to apologize, if you were a man.
81 posted on 11/20/2002 2:41:52 PM PST by discostu
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To: mhking; Tuco-bad
"Racism wasn't instantly wiped off the face of the earth by the stroke of a pen. Especially in the south in the mid-60's

Sounds like some parts of Arkansas I was unfortunate enough to visit in the 90's.

82 posted on 11/20/2002 2:46:42 PM PST by semaj
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To: Tuco-bad
No, the implications of the story was that it was used by whites only. Nowhere in there does she say it was legal. Only that black kids didn't get candy there normally. You're adding text in your desperate attempt to defend your indefensible position.
83 posted on 11/20/2002 2:46:50 PM PST by discostu
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To: Tuco-bad
There weren't ''white folks'' drug store in 1965 because they were outlawed by the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

LOL!

Your kidding me right? There are white folks neighborhoods and black folks neighborhoods in Mississippi now. My Father is from Canton Ms, and I go there every year. There is a white shcool and a black kids school. Hell! I am Catholic and there is the white Catholic Church and the black Catholic church in a town of less then 20,000.

Your obviously not from the South (especially Miss.) , an aplogist, in denial, or blind.

Abolishing Jim Crow laws does not integration make. Not now and certainly not in 1965. If her grandfather told her that it was a "white folks" drug store then you better believe everyone in "DeKalb, Miss" knew it whatever the law said.

84 posted on 11/20/2002 2:48:25 PM PST by Smogger
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To: Tuco-bad
The implication of the story was that the drug store was legally segregated in 1965.

hehehe!

Strong, extremely intellegent, well-connected, conservative, Repbublican role models, scare the Hell out of DemonRat's...

85 posted on 11/20/2002 2:53:06 PM PST by Smogger
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To: Tuco-bad
It's Tuco-bad the resident DemonRat Condi basher...

Hmmmm.. Don't feed the troll..

86 posted on 11/20/2002 2:54:34 PM PST by Smogger
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To: Tuco-bad
You have your own mind, so you'll see it however you want.

But I never threatened you.

Shine on you crazy diamond.
Coming soon: Tha SYNDICATE.
101 things that the Mozilla browser can do that Internet Explorer cannot.

87 posted on 11/20/2002 2:59:02 PM PST by rdb3
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To: Tuco-bad
Let's just suffice it to say that you have some sort of personal admiration with Dr. Rice.

Anyone who can speak 5 languages and get multiple degrees deserves admiration period.

88 posted on 11/20/2002 5:19:57 PM PST by farmfriend
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To: mhking
I don't care who you are. You wouldn't want a "conversation" with me.

How many languages do you speak!

89 posted on 11/20/2002 5:33:23 PM PST by f.Christian
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To: Tuco-bad
There weren't ''white folks'' drug store in 1965 because they were outlawed by the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

BTW - I like fairy tales also.

Obviously you didn't grow up during that time south of the Mason-Dixon line.

5.56mm

90 posted on 11/20/2002 5:47:54 PM PST by M Kehoe
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To: Tuco-bad; GraniteStateConservative
Not in the original (Italian) version.

Absolutely wrong.

In Italian, the film is Il Buono, Il Brutto, Il Cattivo, which translates to "The Good, The Ugly, The Bad", but the title was wisely switched around to sound better in English. Those who have seen the laserdisc version could be confused (as I was) by the trailer which labels Tuco as the Bad, and Angel-Eyes as the Ugly. Even though Tuco is bad, and Angel-Eyes is ugly, Tuco is more of a comic character, while Angel-Eyes is quite viciously evil. Those who know Italian say the trailer got it wrong.
The revisionist history you peddle about racism and Western movies is truly disgusting.
91 posted on 11/20/2002 5:56:22 PM PST by xm177e2
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To: Tuco-bad
I have the most terrible news for you. Regardless of the law there was segregation in fact even in my border state of Maryland after the Civil Rights Act of 1964. In 1965 I saw the Klu Klux Klan marching around the Maryland State House protesting a "proposal" to desegregate schools in Maryland.

And as a reach back side note [I cannot resist] the Kursk was sunk by an explosion from its own torpedos per the Russian Admiralty findings.

Sorry TUCO, you just work the fringes, not the facts.

92 posted on 11/20/2002 6:43:22 PM PST by Jimmy Valentine
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To: discostu
Even when it didn't take the national guard, segregation lingered. Brown v. Board was decided in 1954. I went to school in the upper Valley of Virginia, which was fairly placid in those days, not a lot like Mississippi. The public schools in my town desegregated in 1965.

Besides, Dr. Rice didn't say that the store was officially "segregated." She said that a white employee in a store was nasty to her, apparently in a racially charged way, and her mother verbally slapped the ignorant hag across the room. Sounds good to me.

As for Gregory Kane's reminiscences, to deny that in 1965 there could have been a drugstore in De Kalb, Mississippi where blacks were unwelcome is about the standard sort of obstinate mindlessness FReepers have come to associate with a certain poster, who is apparently a "bad" member of The University Caterers Organization.

93 posted on 11/20/2002 6:51:08 PM PST by Southern Federalist
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To: rdb3; mhking; GraniteStateConservative
I didn't realize until the end that I'd been tripping over fence wire strung by "Derrick Z. Jackson".

I'm an unabashed admirer of Condoleezza Rice, dating from her counselling "firmness" toward China in Foreign Affairs.

A bus trip through Alabama in the '60's left no doubt about the state of affairs on the ground, statutory remedies to the contrary notwithstanding.

It was my first post-graduate job which opened my eyes to the possibilities of excellence absence race.

In the spring of 1970, in Boston, in Roxbury, at 416 Warren Street in Unity Bank and Trust under president Philip J. Sneed, six-two, two-and-a-quarter, karate, weightlifting--"Sneed don't take no sh!t from nobody, walkin' or ridin' slippin' or slidin'" he told the sixty-two employees.

The atmosphere in the bank was dignified and efficient. Mr. Sneed and the two guys from the collection department personally handled an attempted bank robbery.

On the street I encountered the standard, "Hey! Whatchoo doon on my street!" But I never took it personally.

I was part of the team at the bank, though the lone white. So I find it particularly grating when Derrick Z. Jackson drops hateful litter such as "America's arrogance" in his perp walk.

Condoleezza Rice is a big old lighthouse. Jackson is a black hole--as bad as Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, Kwame Mfume, Louis Farakan and the rest.

She is so terribly good at what she does, and Jackson is so obviously bitter (about something), it jumps in your face.

It's more of the stuff of Harry Belafonte--some kind of green-with-envy crippling bitterness.

Something like, "I am so mediocre and bitter, and Condoleezza Rice is so accomplished and upwardly mobile, I'm going to sit out back and eat worms."

Hey, it's America, Derrick. I, however, will be inside following the success of "America's arrogance" in ending Islamofascism.

94 posted on 11/20/2002 6:58:43 PM PST by PhilDragoo
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To: discostu
Why would I place blame on her for 9/11? She'd been in her position for less than a year

How long does Rice have to be in the job before we can blame her for terrorist attacks in which she did not take proper action of warning signs?

95 posted on 11/20/2002 7:08:52 PM PST by Tuco-bad
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To: discostu
Only that black kids didn't get candy there normally.

I guess the drug store was running an "abnormal" sale day for Rice to have bought the candy.

96 posted on 11/20/2002 7:11:17 PM PST by Tuco-bad
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To: Smogger
If her grandfather told her that it was a "white folks" drug store then you better believe everyone in "DeKalb, Miss" knew it whatever the law said.

Yet Rice was able to buy candy from the "white folks" drug store.

97 posted on 11/20/2002 7:13:49 PM PST by Tuco-bad
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To: rdb3
But I never threatened you.

You tried to intimidate me.

BTW - FReepers don't intimidate easily.

98 posted on 11/20/2002 7:16:01 PM PST by Tuco-bad
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To: Tuco-bad
What warning signs? I have seen no information that anybody has accused any of our intelligence organizations that could POSSIBLY have indicated who, where and when. Without those you can't stop the bad guys. Again 19 bad guys - close to 300 million not bad guys, 4 target planes - over 10,000 non-target planes. Intel is all about figuring out that you're looking for a needle then digging into the haystack. There's no indication they had any information which would have helped at all.
99 posted on 11/20/2002 7:16:14 PM PST by discostu
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To: Tuco-bad
Read the freaking story dip.
100 posted on 11/20/2002 7:16:42 PM PST by discostu
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