A lesson from Condoleezza Rice

Boston Globe | 11-20-02 | By Derrick Z. Jackson,

[Tuco-bad]

Like I said, I would really like to have a face-to-face conversation with you. I truly would.

Understand you are dealing with: Tuco Benedito Pacifico Juan Maria Ramirez, known as “the Rat”

You really do NOT want a face-to-face "conversation" with me.

[discostu]

You are correct, they weren't LAWFULLY segregated. Doesn't mean they were segregated though. Kind of like how I don't LAWFULLY drive around 50MPH going to and from work, I just look out for cop cars and hope I don't get a speeding ticket. People unlawfully do a lot of things. And when it comes to changes in the makeup of a society (which is how segregation really worked in 99% of the examples you'll ever find) the law really doesn't mean anything. If a drug store was considered (probably not even declared, simply known to be by the citizens because that's how it always was) whites only in 1963 chances are it was still whites only in 1965.

[Tuco-bad]

Remember the 1964 Civil Rights Act was so effective that it had to be backed up with the Voting Rights Act of 1965 because people still weren't willing to let black register to vote until the fed got downright brutal about it.

Learn your history.

Name one public facility that still practiced after 1964.

Learn your history.

Again we are discussing segregation not racism.

[discostu]

Does your breath smell?

[rdb3]

You really do NOT want a face-to-face "conversation" with me.

I guess you're right. I wouldn't speak. But my friend would converse with you. He has a very loud voice. And he always gets his point across.

Shine on you crazy diamond.
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[GraniteStateConservative]

Condi! ping.

[mhking]

We are referring to segregation.

Neither was segregation. But I forgot. You've got a personal problem with Dr. Rice.

[discostu]

I already gave you plenty of links. Segregation remained RAMPANT for many years after 1964. Learn to click links.

[mhking]

Public schools were NOT Lawfully segregated in 1965.

The "law" in 1965 and "reality" in 1965 were two entirely different things.

[Tuco-bad]

If a drug store was considered (probably not even declared, simply known to be by the citizens because that's how it always was) whites only in 1963 chances are it was still whites only in 1965.

A drug store - I doubt that.

Though of course there were and still are establishments as you state, but the important thing which you are ignoring is that they violate the law.

[Tuco-bad]

I guess you're right. I wouldn't speak. But my friend would converse with you. He has a very loud voice. And he always gets his point across.

You and your friend do not scare me.

Interesting about your threats because someone dares to disagree with you.

[TheLion]

This article is a bunch of racist tripe, probably taken totally out of context....as to her remarks.

[Tuco-bad]

Segregation remained RAMPANT for many years after 1964

Yhat so in a public facility - like where?

[mhking]

Name one public facility that still practiced after 1964.

Many rural counties in Alabama. In particluar? OK. Let's start with Wedowee, AL. Eastern part of the state. Several cases on record. Were the perpetrators called on it? Eventually. But not in 1965.

You learn your history. And then talk to someone who was directly affected by it. You've obviously never been chased by sheet-wearing folks who wanted to string you up. Sure that's illegal. But it didn't deter them. And that was in the late 70's.

Don't you dare come try to lecture me about things like this.

And segregation goes right along with it.

You obviously have a personal problem with Dr. Rice, and with trying to have a rational conversation without starting a fight.

I don't care who you are. You wouldn't want a "conversation" with me.

[GraniteStateConservative]

I like fairy tales also.

I like it when people use screen names that make sense.

Tuco Benedicto Pacifico Juan Maria ramirez was "The Ugly."

Sentenza aka Angel Eyes was "The Bad."

[Tuco-bad]

Public schools were NOT Lawfully segregated in 1965.

The "law" in 1965 and "reality" in 1965 were two entirely different things.

What public school/college was segregated after 1964?

Now of course certain areas minorities found it very difficult to find housing so in effect there were no minorities in those areas, but the issue is if someone lived in the area, were they turned away from the school because of segregation?

[Tuco-bad]

Sentenza aka Angel Eyes was "The Bad."

Not in the original (Italian) version.

[discostu]

Why not a drug store? Remember 1960's drug stores weren't like today's Walgreens, the biggest revenue getter was the lunch counter, and places that served food were among the last to "convert".

I'm not ignoring that they were violating the law. It has nothign to do with Miss Rice's story. Legally declared as such or not there were whites only places of business in 1965, it is entirely feasable for one of the drug stores in her hometown to have been a defacto, illegal, undeclared, segregated drug store. As a matter of fact you can almost garauntee that by that point it would have to be operating on a defacto level because one of the few REAL effects the CRA had was it banished the "whites only" signs (which would have been nothing more than an advertisement for law breaking).

If there's any fairy tale (as you classified her story) here it's that something stops when it's against the law. Laws get flaunted every day in this nation, and the CRA was heavily flaunted through the rest of the 60s and even into the 70s in many places. The CRA has no impact on the veracity of Miss Rice's story.

[Tuco-bad]

I don't care who you are. You wouldn't want a "conversation" with me.

Geez - someone people on this thread would rather fight than debate the issues.

Hmmm, wonder why?

[discostu]

CLICK THE LINKS I'VE ALREADY PROVIDED, THEY'RE THE RESULT OF A WHOPPING 5 MINUTE GOOGLE SEARCH, THAT'S HOW LITTLE EFFORT IT TAKES TO PROVE YOU WRONG.