Democrat majority died from old, Vietnam-era wounds

St Paul Pioneer (de)Press ^ | 11/20/02 | D.J. TICE

[SwinneySwitch]

Where have all the liberals gone, long time passing?
Where have all the liberals gone, long time ago?
Where have all the liberals gone?
Gone to graveyards, everyone.
Oh, when will they ever learn?
Oh, when will they ever learn?

[Valin]

I really get the feeling that you are trying to say something. :-)

[Media Insurgent]

"Those elections came between the end of the Cold War and Sept. 11, 2001 — a period when issues of national security, for the first time in memory, were not preoccupying Americans' minds."

A great point. I firmly believe that future historians will treat the fall of the Berlin Wall and 9/11 as "bookends" of a distinct era in American life and politics. During that time we got complacent and ignored the rest of the world. Not to let Clinton off the hook for his complete indifference to foreign policy, but I think his attitude really reflected the mindset of the majority of the time. He was at least as much of a symptom and a reflection as he was a cause of how soft, lazy and shortsighted most Americans were in this time period. The degree to which he is the poster boy for that 90's sense of false security is probably going to be his real legacy to future generations.

[Musket]

Strangely, perhaps, the pacifist, anti-war sentiment that was the heart and soul of the '60s is the one legacy of that era Democrats need most to discard to win more elections.

But they won't 'cause they're all a bunch of Wussies. Enough Americans know this to make a difference for a long time to come. VIVA REPUBLICANS!

BTW, about 4 months prior to the past elections I posted somewhere on this vast board that "Republicans would win big time-count on it". Do I get a prize for that? ; )

[Valin]

I firmly believe that future historians will treat the fall of the Berlin Wall and 9/11 as "bookends" of a distinct era in American life and politics.

Hey we won the cold war! Lets PARTY!
Reality DOES have a way of biting you in the butt if you don't keep your wits about you.

[Valin]

Do I get a prize for that? ; )

Indeed you do. You win my warmest personal regards.
That and a dollar will get you a cup of coffee. :-)

[shiva]

Do I get a prize for that?

Depends.....what do you want?

[Media Insurgent]

Remember everyone talking about the "Peace Dividend" that we would get from not having to spend money on defense? I think it was Tom Clancy who pointed out that when you maintain a strong defense, peace IS the dividend.

[Republic]

...Democrats must fearlessly consider the implication of this pattern. Whatever other problems they face, it simply seems that too many ordinary Americans lack confidence that modern liberals will boldly defend the nation and its interests....

Oh yeah. There is a complete and very deserved lack of confidence out here in America regarding the old crusty liberal hippies in congress who have refused to grow and up and understand that FREEDOM in NEVER FREE!

[Ronaldus Magnus Reagan]

And now the Democratic party has turned into the "Donner Party" with the election of Nancy Pelosi. If you recall, the Donner party was the wagon train of settlers heading west that went down the wrong trail and got stranded for the winter and had to resort to cannibalism to survive. How did this happen? The Donner's et. al. bought a trail book from a shyster purporting to show the way for a faster route to the west coast.

The 60's radical liberalism philosphy is that same trail book. Yet the liberal Democrats insist on following that route.

Communism is now shown not to work. Socialism is being shown as working very poorly. Soon it won't work at all. Liberalism is next up for all the masses to finally realize that it doesn't work either.
These things take time. I figure about 75 years. That's how long it took communism to fail.

[Valin]

Some of us still remember hearing about the "Peace Dividend" at the end of the Viet-Nam war. It's as stupid then as it is now. It's all part of the "Can't we all just get along" syndrome, here in the real world the answer is NO! For every Mother Teresa I can show you 6(at least) Pol Pots.

[Williams]

Agreed. Whether or not Vietnam was mishandled or was a "mistake," liberals adopted irrational and anti-American arguments to oppose the war. (First example right there, there was a war whether we were in it or not but they always wanted to "stop the war" like we caused it).

If you look at the ridiculous approaches by liberals to Vietnam and apply them to the real world, you get in trouble pretty fast. Some favorites:

1. The U.S. invaded Cambodia, expanding the war. In reality the N. Vietnamese had occupied Eastern Cambodia for years and the Cambodian government approved of our incursion and bombing. But the leftists still rail about Nixon's "bombing of Cambodia" as a criminal act. Pure nonsense.

2. The S. Vietnamese were cowards. Leftists are the original racists, and the S. Vietnamese were our allies, so naturally they were scum. I will never forget the NYT story after the SV's held on at An Loc after being cut off for weeks. The dead NV's were found chained inside their tanks. The NYT wrote that the battle of An Loc proved "even a rat will fight when it is cornered."

There are too many and this post is overlong, but the liberal legacy of Vietnam includes: Giving credit to every oppressive invading left wing dictatorship, assuming America is wrong and has no rights in every dispute, unilateral disarmament, hatred of our own military as murdrers, etc.

[bassmaner]

For every Mother Teresa I can show you 6(at least) Pol Pots.

You're being generous -- I'd have guessed about 600 Pol Pots for every Mother Teresa (or maybe 666 ...)

[Media Insurgent]

"For every Mother Teresa I can show you 6(at least) Pol Pots."

I could show you 6 potential Pol Pots in the crowd of any given "peace" demonstration. Probably a couple Hitlers, several dozen Stalins and scores of Robespierres. The people who cry the loudest for disarmament are the ones who would be most dangerous if the weapons were under their control.

[Mr. Jeeves]

We got our "peace dividend" on 9/11.

[bassmaner]

Al Gore also ran very well in 2000, winning the popular vote.

I so sick of hearing this.

First of all, it's irrelevant because of the electoral college system.

Secondly, considering the epidemic of vote fraud in 'Rat districts, it's likely that GWB actually did win the popular vote. I wish someone like Scaife or Klayman would put up resources to investigate this and show to the world just how much corruption and fraud there actually is in our electoral process. The recent Johnson/Thune debacle in SD is yet another stinking example.

[Media Insurgent]

Clinton enjoyed a peace dividend all throughout his term. Oh wait...that was a "piece dividend."

[dfwgator]

Had we taken care of business in Cambodia, there would have been no Pol Pot, and no Killing Fields, another little "fact" the Commie Libs avoid pointing out.

[dfwgator]

Most of the anti-war activists during the Vietnam War were not "anti-war" at all. They just thought we were fighting for the wrong side.