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Bits Of History Suggest Utah Is Location Of Mythic Aztlan
The Salt Lake Tribune ^ | 11-17-2002 | Tim Sullivan

Posted on 11/17/2002 4:41:56 PM PST by blam

Bits of History Suggest Utah Is Location of Mythic Aztlan

Sunday, November 17, 2002

University of Utah professor Armando Sol-rzano holds a replica of an official map of the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo from 1847 that identifies Utah as the homeland of the Aztecs. The Aztecs left the mythic Aztlan, which some scholars say is present-day Utah, to build a civilization in the Valley of Mexico. (Steve Griffin/The Salt Lake Tribune)

BY TIM SULLIVAN, BY TIM SULLIVAN
(c) 2002, THE SALT LAKE TRIBUNE
THE SALT LAKE TRIBUNE

It was a map drawn in 1768 by a Spaniard in Paris that sent Roberto Rodriguez running toward Aztlan. As a Mexican American, Rodriguez long had pondered the historical location of Aztlan, the mythic homeland of the Aztecs. Six years ago, he and his wife, Patrisia Gonzales, found tantalizing directions in Don Joseph Antonio Alzate y Ramirez's map of North America. Where present-day Utah would be, and next to a large body of water called "Laguna de Teguyo," are the words: "From these desert contours, the Mexican Indians were said to have left to found their empire." That cryptic message is one clue among many -- a petroglyph etched on a sandstone wall in eastern Utah's Sego Canyon, an 1847 United States map highlighting the confluences of the Colorado, Green and San Juan rivers in southern Utah, a mound and more petroglyphs just outside Vernal -- that have researchers considering a new angle on the history of the southwestern United States.

"Some don't believe [Aztlan] was true, like Atlantis or the Garden of Eden," says Roger Blomquist, a doctoral student at the University of Nebraska at Lincoln. "But I'm convinced it's in Utah. The evidence is very compelling. It's building a mosaic that supports that thesis."

Since the 1960s and '70s civil rights movement, Chicano activists have used the name Aztlan to describe the American Southwest as a northern homeland for Americans of Mexican heritage. But for much longer, people all over the world have been trying to pinpoint the historical location of the legendary place the Aztecs left to build their civilization in the Valley of Mexico.

Rodriguez says Aztlan's literal and figurative meanings are both relevant to his search.
"People would always tell us to 'go back to where we came from,' " Rodriguez says. "Then we came up with this map. Our work is about whether we belong or not."

Western scholars, Catholic clergy, Chicano activists and even the Aztecs themselves have been seeking Aztlan for more than 500 years. They have put much of their energy into gleaning facts from the story that tells of a people emerging from the bowels of the earth through seven caves and settling on an island called Aztlan, translated as "place of the egrets," or "place of whiteness."

Acting upon a command from a spirit, these people left Aztlan and went south until they came upon an eagle devouring a serpent in the present-day location of Mexico City, where historical records suggest they founded the city Tenochtitlan in the 14th century. But in 1433, Aztec leaders burned the picture books that recounted the migration to the Valley of Mexico, leaving only oral tradition and the name Aztlan.

The Aztec king Motecuhzoma I was probably the first to investigate seriously the location of Aztlan. In the 1440s, he sent 60 magicians north for a journey that itself became a legend -- according to chronicler Diego Duran, these pilgrims encountered a supernatural being who transformed them into birds, and they flew to Aztlan.

After the Spanish conquered the Aztecs in the early 16th century, they began studying the Aztecs' origins. Francisco Clavijero, a Jesuit priest, in 1789 deduced that Aztlan lay north of the Colorado River. Other Mexican, European and American historians put Aztlan in the Mexican state of Michoacan, Florida, California, even Wisconsin. Many others deny it ever existed. But perhaps the most widely accepted historical location of Aztlan is that proposed by historian Alfredo Chavero in 1887. Retracing Nu-o de Guzman's 1530 expedition north from the Valley of Mexico, Chavero deduced that Aztlan was an island off the coast of the Mexican state of Nayarit called Mexcaltitlan.

Modern-day scholars who favor Utah as an Aztec homeland use some of these studies and chronicles to advance their theories, which range geographically from Salt Lake Valley to the Uinta Mountains to the Colorado Plateau. But each of these researchers also seems to have his or her own trump card.

Rodriguez's curiosity originally was spurred by a copy of an 1847 map of the boundaries drawn by the Treaty of Guadalupe Hildalgo, but quickly expanded to "a hundred others," including the chart Alzate y Ramirez created for the Royal Academy of Sciences in Paris. The maps touched off "Aztlanahuac," a project by Rodriguez and Gonzales, newspaper columnists whose work appears in The Tribune, that has spawned one book with two more on the way.

Aztlanahuac led them to gather oral histories on migration from Native Americans throughout the Southwest. Believing that the "Laguna de Teguyo" had to be the Great Salt Lake, the San Antonio couple also traveled to Antelope Island four years ago. There, Rodriguez asked a state park ranger how many caves the island had. The ranger's reply was, of course, seven.
Blomquist, a doctoral candidate in American Frontier History whose dissertation explores Aztec origins in Utah, focuses on the Uinta Mountains. He believes that Aztecs, who would have heard ancestral stories, advised 17th-century Spanish prospectors to look for gold in northeastern Utah.

Blomquist also cites a "natural temple site" in the Uintas near Vernal. He says there is a 200-foot-high mound with footsteps carved into it and an altar-sized boulder at its base that mirrors temples he has seen in Mexico, such as Monte Alban outside of Oaxaca.

On a rock at the site are petroglyphs of a warrior and his family that Blomquist says don't resemble rock art of the Fremont people known to have inhabited Utah. And the warrior is carrying a long sword-like object that broadens to a blunt end, like a cleaver, which Blomquist likens to a Mesoamerican weapon called a macana.

Then there is Cecilio Orozco, a retired California State University at Fresno education professor who has observed that petroglyphs in Sego Canyon, about 30 miles east of Green River, correspond to the Aztec calendar's mathematical formula of five orbits of Venus for every eight Earth years. On one of the canyon's sandstone walls are two petroglyphs of knotted string, one with five strings hanging down, the other eight.

In conjunction with his mentor, Alfonso Rivas-Salmon, Orozco theorizes that southern Utah is not Aztlan but the earlier homeland of "Nahuatl," the land of "four waters," where the Colorado, Green and San Juan rivers meet to pour through the Grand Canyon (Nahuatl is also the name of the Aztecs' language.). The 1847 treaty map also points to southern Utah as the "Ancient Homeland of the Aztecs."

Along those lines, Belgian scholar Antoon Leon Vollemaere believes he has pinpointed the location of Aztlan on either Wilson or Grey Mesa, where the Colorado and San Juan meet under Lake Powell.

Researchers also cite the close connection between the languages of the Aztecs and the Ute Indians in the "Uto-Aztecan" linguistic group, as well as the coincidence that the Anasazi culture began to decline at about the same time the Aztecs' ancestors were supposed to have left Aztlan.

While the pile of evidence that the Aztecs came from somewhere in Utah may seem high, more skeptical scholars like Northern Arizona University archaeologist Kelley Hays-Gilpin put things into perspective.

Hays-Gilpin acknowledges the linguistic connection between the Aztecs and Utes as well as economic interaction between Mesoamerican and North American peoples. But she offers a twist on the overall migration scheme -- the Aztecs' ancestors may have moved north before moving south.

Hays-Gilpin believes that people speaking a proto-Uto-Aztecan language domesticated maize in central Mexico more than 5,000 years ago, and consequently spread north to an area of the American West that could have included Utah. Out of that multitude of cultures, some groups could have migrated south to northern Mexico, and some of those could have, as she says, "moved to the Valley of Mexico and subjugated some of the confused and bedraggled remnants of the latest 'regime change.' "

This concept resonates with Utah Division of Indian Affairs Director Forrest Cuch, a member of the Northern Ute Tribe, who remembers his grandmother telling him his people came from the south. Could the Utes and the Aztecs' ancestors also have lived in close contact in modern-day Utah?

"I'm open to it," Cuch says, "because so little is known about the past."

As such, it would be almost impossible to prove the historical location of Aztlan, but Roberto Rodriguez says clearing the mist surrounding the myth may not be so important anyway.

While treading the path of his Aztlanahuac project, Rodriguez began to uncover a history of mass migration akin to the one Hays-Gilpin suggests. For him and Gonzales, understanding the larger scheme of historical movement throughout North America became more vital than deconstructing one elusive origin story.

"[Finding a location] has almost become irrelevant," he says. "Now, we have a bigger understanding, that the whole continent is connected. You have all these stories of people going back and forth."

Rodriguez says all that migration is most significant for Mexican Americans, and for the thousands of people now moving from Mexico to the United States, because it affords them and subsequent generations an answer when someone says, "go back where you came from."
"I just hope kids at school some day will at least be shown these maps," he says.

University of Utah ethnic studies professor Armando Sol-rzano has tailored the Aztlan concept to fit Utah, which is experiencing its own influx of Mexican immigrants.

Sol-rzano, a native Guadalajaran, has his own reasoning as to why Utah was a point of departure for the Aztecs -- that the geographical characteristics of Salt Lake Valley resemble those of Mexico City -- but his interpretation of Aztlan is, like Rodriguez's, a broader one.

Sol-rzano tells of arriving in Utah 12 years ago and seeing the Wasatch Mountains and the Great Salt Lake. "I said, 'My God, this is Aztlan.' I felt a spiritual unity with the land, something I had never felt before outside Mexico."

He compares the concept of Aztlan as a sacred land of harmony with that of Zion in the Mormon tradition. The similarities, he says, show that both cultures are searching for a common goal. Sol-rzano calls his Utah adaptation of Aztlan "Utaztlan."

Had Sol-rzano's own migration path taken him to a different part of the United States, his concept of Aztlan likely would be different. Still, he shares his sense of the myth's importance with people of Mexican heritage all over the country.

"What is happening now is we are returning," Sol-rzano says. "This is an opportunity to rewrite history and make justice."


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To: weikel
Perhaps not. Spanish-speaking people have been joining the "Mormon" Church in droves for decades and soon will constitute a majority of Church members worldwide.

LDS doctrine holds that Mexicans and other Hispanics are descendants of an ancient New World tribe called Lamanites, the members of which already have begun to "blossom as the rose" in accordance with 19th- and 20th-century prophecy. And Central and South America are now dotted with an increasing number of temples of the Church.

My wife, a gringo from Idaho, in the 80's served a full-time mission for the Church in Spain and to this day is an ATA-certified translator, so I suppose that I'm "covered." Indeed, I have begun to learn Spanish in preparation for possible Church service in the future and for more immediate reasons related to some part-time activities related to criminal justice......

61 posted on 11/18/2002 10:53:18 AM PST by tracer
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To: tracer
I forgot to add that Native Americans also are Lamanites, according to Church doctrine, and that missionary activity efforts in "Lamanite" lands is increasing at an amazing rate....
62 posted on 11/18/2002 10:56:03 AM PST by tracer
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To: FITZ
It'd be just as silly for Americans of European descent to go over to Europe and insist they have some kind of rights over there. Maybe I'll go to Ireland and try that

What? For Indians to declare the land they lived on theirs instead of ours? I'm Cherokee/Scotch/Irish(as many are in the Western half of NC) and I don't think it's unreasonable considering union soldiers forced some of my ancestors to march halfway across the nation and the other half they burned their houses down while they were defending them

63 posted on 11/18/2002 10:56:16 AM PST by billbears
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To: billbears
I'm Cherokee/Scotch/Irish(as many are in the Western half of NC) and I don't think it's unreasonable considering union soldiers forced some of my ancestors to march halfway across the nation and the other half they burned their houses down while they were defending them.

Generations later? Can you go to Ireland or Scotland also and demand "your" land back? Maybe those ancestors were forced off their lands too, maybe by unreasonable or bad policies in those countries at the time they left. I don't own any land my ancestors lived on or owned ---do I have some claim somewhere I don't know about? We all have ancestors after all ---not just American Indians or Mexican Indians. Where's all the land I can claim? Maybe some Celtic tribe got pushed off some place and I want it back.

64 posted on 11/18/2002 11:01:54 AM PST by FITZ
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To: blam
Reminds me of that Dave Barry quote:

"This land is your land,
This land is my land,
Looks like somebody,
Forged the deed to this land...."

:)
65 posted on 11/18/2002 11:05:35 AM PST by lds23
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To: JudyB1938
My numerous progeny are trained housecleaners (and I have a management degree). Occasionally we're employed by people with 5000 sq.ft. houses in Southern Hills, whose children don't feel they should have to clean ...
66 posted on 11/18/2002 11:06:12 AM PST by Tax-chick
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To: FITZ
So because less than 5 generations have passed, I'm supposed to just accept it and move on? I can see 10 or 12 generations maybe, but less than 5 I can't. This nation was established by different laws than Ireland or Scotland. Things were supposed to be so much better than the 'old world' ways. Yet your argument is that the Army pushed them off and they should stay pushed off? Your argument would be valid except that these US do not practice the same argument in foreign affairs. The Jewish people were pushed out of the land of Israel and, with the help of these US, reestablished their homeland rightly so after thousands of years. Sounds like more than a few generations to me
67 posted on 11/18/2002 11:08:55 AM PST by billbears
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To: blam
Acting upon a command from a spirit, these people left Aztlan and went south until they came upon an eagle devouring a serpent in the present-day location of Mexico City

Real smart move, eh?

They can keep lovely Mexico City, but keep your damn paws off our beloved Utah.

68 posted on 11/18/2002 11:17:44 AM PST by montag813
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To: Tax-chick
My kids were trained, too. The oldest daughter would hide dirty clothes under her bed. The middle daughter would hide dishes outside until she was ready to do them. I just knew I was failing as a mother. LOL But today, they keep spotless houses.
69 posted on 11/18/2002 12:31:11 PM PST by JudyB1938
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To: tracer
I forgot to add that Native Americans also are Lamanites, according to Church doctrine, and that missionary activity efforts in "Lamanite" lands is increasing at an amazing rate....

At least the writer of this article 'claimed' to have some rock scratchings that lent SOME kind of crediblity to his claim (although I saw NO indication of what he was talking about on the pages that I posted earlier).

The Mormon's have zip info along archeological lines to back up Joseph Smith's claims.

70 posted on 11/18/2002 1:47:44 PM PST by Elsie
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To: tracer; Elsie; Wrigley; RnMomof7
Where are the descendants of the Lamanites that God turned black in 2 Nephi 5:21-22?...

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THE SECOND BOOK OF NEPHI

CHAPTER 5

The Nephites separate themselves from the Lamanites, keep the law of Moses, and build a temple—Because of their unbelief, the Lamanites are cursed, receive a skin of blackness, and become a scourge unto the Nephites. [Between 588 and 559 B.C.]

21 And he had caused the cursing to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity. For behold, they had hardened their hearts against him, that they had become like unto a flint; wherefore, as they were white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them.

22 And thus saith the Lord God: I will cause that they shall be loathsome unto thy people, save they shall repent of their iniquities.

71 posted on 11/18/2002 2:04:10 PM PST by drstevej
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To: drstevej
Go back and read my post, doc. And note that the history of the descendants of Laman did not end in Book of Mormon times........
72 posted on 11/18/2002 2:09:59 PM PST by tracer
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To: Elsie
So you say -- incorrectly. In any event, the presence or absence of "archeological evidence" proves nothing.......
73 posted on 11/18/2002 2:11:21 PM PST by tracer
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To: tracer; Elsie
In any event, the presence or absence of "archeological evidence" proves nothing.......

Yeah, it proves nothing in the BoM to be true.

74 posted on 11/18/2002 2:12:39 PM PST by Wrigley
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To: tracer
Go back and read my post, doc. And note that the history of the descendants of Laman did not end in Book of Mormon times........

You MUST be right: they were so persecuted there that all of them set sail and landed in Africa to colonize THAT place, for when the first European explorers wrote down their exploits in the Americas, there were NO BLACK SKINNED PEOPLE mentioned. Of course, by your reasoning, that doesn't mean they WEREN'T here, just that the 'Lamites' (Native Americans) seem to have RED skin - not BLACK!

75 posted on 11/18/2002 2:27:02 PM PST by Elsie
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To: tracer
But what happened to these who were turned black. Did they have non black kids or are there still black Lamanites around?
76 posted on 11/18/2002 2:27:25 PM PST by drstevej
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To: tracer
the presence or absence of "archeological evidence" proves nothing.......

You can't POSSIBLY believe this!!!

77 posted on 11/18/2002 2:30:33 PM PST by Elsie
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To: tracer
And note that the history of the descendants of Laman did not end in Book of Mormon times........

So, is this how we recoginize the Lamanites today?


78 posted on 11/18/2002 3:42:24 PM PST by Wrigley
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To: billbears
Maybe if there are still some pure Indians they could say they have a right to certain lands but a lot of the Indians today have just as much European or African blood as they do Indian blood which means they also have to go back to Europe. It's like reparations for descendents of former slaves ---how much of our long dead ancestors' things are we really entitled to? To give Indians back what they once had, you'd have to give them back the whole Western hemisphere but even then they were pushing each other out of areas. Chances are Aztecs left what is now the SW USA because Apaches or someone made them go.
79 posted on 11/18/2002 4:11:38 PM PST by FITZ
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To: tracer; drstevej; Wrigley; Elsie
So you say -- incorrectly. In any event, the presence or absence of "archeological evidence" proves nothing.......

LOL Yea they were here but we can not prove it

Tracer if it was not VERY important your church would not do tall the "research" they do ..it is IMPORTANT because without ANY proof it is just another fairy tale

80 posted on 11/18/2002 5:23:28 PM PST by RnMomof7
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