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Putin tells reporter to 'get circumcised'
ABC News ^ | 11/12/02 | staff

Posted on 11/12/2002 8:50:00 AM PST by ppaul

Russia's media expressed has shock over a remark by Russian President Vladimir Putin at the Russia-EU summit in which he urged a Western reporter asking about the war in Chechnya to come to Moscow and "get circumcised".

Mr Putin's comments, made at a closing press conference of the Russia-EU summit in Brussels, were played by TVS television station and republished by several major Moscow newspapers and Internet sites.

The Kommersant business daily reports Mr Putin was asked a Danish reporter why Russia was using mine warfare in the separatist North Caucasus republic and exterminating Chechen civilians.

Reports say Mr Putin became infuriated by the question and launched an unprecedented defence of the three-year Chechen war that at one stage went off on a tangent.

"You, if I am not mistaken, represent an ally [of the US war on terror] and are therefore in danger," Mr Putin told the reporter, according to a transcript that appeared in the Vremya Novostei daily.

"They [the Chechens] talk about killing non-Muslims and if you are a Christian, you are in danger. And even if you are an atheist, you are in danger," Mr Putin is quoting as saying.

"If you decide to become a Muslim - even then you are not safe, because traditional Islam contradicts the conditions and goals that they [the Chechens rebels] set.

"But if you are prepared to become the most radical Islamist and prepared to get circumcised - I invite you to Moscow.

"We have specialists that deal with this problem. I suggest that you do such an operation that nothing grows out of you again," Mr Putin reportedly said.

Mr Putin is known for his tough talk that at times becomes interlaced with slang used by criminals and the military.

He launched the war in the predominantly Muslim Chechen republic in October 1999 by threatening to "waste [the Chechens] while they sit in their outhouses".

Russian media say a Kremlin aide explained to reporters after the Brussels press conference that Mr Putin was tired during the summit after a hectic working schedule.

The wide coverage given to Mr Putin's remarks appears unusual for a Russian media that has grown to carefully toe the Kremlin line in recent months.

Advice dismissed

Meanwhile, Mr Putin has brushed aside European advice on a peaceful solution to the Chechen conflict, saying it had to be solved by the Russian and Chechen people alone.

"Of course we listen to advice from our colleagues in Europe," Mr Putin told a news conference in Oslo after talks with German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder, who said he hoped for a peaceful, political solution in Chechnya.

But he added: "It is an internal Russian problem to be solved between the Chechen people and the Russian federation."

Russia has scrapped plans for a partial military pullout from the southerly province since Chechen separatists took a Moscow theatre hostage last month.

The siege ended with the deaths of 128 hostages and 41 rebels.

"We don't want to turn up our noses and say that others' opinions are irrelevant," Mr Putin said.

But he added: "The problem is so complicated that no one can give really good advice."

Mr Putin said Europe had some good examples of conflict resolution but that other conflicts had rumbled on unsolved in other parts of Europe for hundreds of years.

Mr Putin has shown no sign of reining in the Russian military in Chechnya, where thousands of people have died in almost a decade of fighting.

Mr Putin has said a new constitution and elections offer the best prospects of a swift resolution.

"The political process on Chechnya must continue," Mr Schroeder said.

Mr Putin and Mr Schroeder met in Oslo because Mr Putin cancelled a planned visit to Germany last month during the theatre siege. Both men were, by coincidence, on visits to the Nordic nation.

Mr Schroeder and Mr Putin also said a UN resolution seeking to disarm Iraq offered a chance of peace.

Shortly afterwards, Iraq's parliament voted to reject the resolution while leaving the final decision to President Saddam Hussein.

Mr Putin said he hoped Arab countries would bring pressure on Iraq to comply.

Mr Putin said Moscow was keeping up contacts with Baghdad but that only Saddam knew what Iraq would finally decide.

Mr Schroeder reiterated on Monday that Germany would not take part in any US-led attacks on Iraq if Saddam failed to comply fully with the resolution.

Mr Schroeder won popularity before his re-election in September by ruling out sending troops.



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To: ItisaReligionofPeace
I said....'Absolutely correct, when it comes to religions, and God, and things metaphysical, no one knows what is true'.... and you said bulls..., so I asked if you new the truth about these things, not what is good, just, wrong, or unjust. What did your bullsh.... mean?
161 posted on 11/12/2002 11:26:40 AM PST by stuartcr
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To: stuartcr
If you ever develop an interest in the truth you might want to check out this site.
162 posted on 11/12/2002 11:29:20 AM PST by Aquinasfan
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To: stuartcr
I guessed that.

http://www.letusreason.org/Islam10.htm

http://www.islamonline.net/askaboutislam/display.asp?hquestionID=2779

http://www.csmonitor.com/2001/1115/p18s1-lire.html

Five articles of faith

Islamic teachings include five foundational beliefs:

1. One unique, infinite, all-powerful and merciful God (Allah) is the Creator and Sustainer of the universe. Everything is contingent upon God, including all of nature. Yet there is nothing like Him - an unqualified difference exists between the divine and the human. Man is God's creature, created out of clay, and orthodox Muslims have criticized Islamic mystics for affirming their experiences of oneness with God. The Koran gives 99 names for God, but His essence is unknowable.
163 posted on 11/12/2002 11:32:06 AM PST by Terriergal
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To: stuartcr
So you know the truth about God, our soul, what happens after death, etc?

http://www.snapshotsofgod.com/

164 posted on 11/12/2002 11:33:35 AM PST by Terriergal
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To: stuartcr
You think that no one culture is superior to another and that all religions have an equal number of bad seeds who hurt other people. Your response to my criticism of your belief was to post some nonsense how only God knows. I say bulls-it. I know right from wrong. I'm sorry you have a hard time with it.
165 posted on 11/12/2002 11:34:32 AM PST by ItisaReligionofPeace
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To: stuartcr
They will choose the way they are. Good people choose good, evil people choose evil. It's in the person, not the tenets of their religion. What you said is a perfect example of why I am so against any organised religion. It doesn't allow for people to think individually. Just as you choose Christianity, and the fact that modern day Christianity doesn't propose smiting your enemies, or burning witches anymore, it nevertheless makes you choose accordingly.

You are not very logical. First you are saying that it is person and not beliefs and next you blame the religious beliefs.

Just to remind you, it is you atheists and secularists who killed the largest number of people in history. So by undermining/eradicating religion you are increasing the chance for the next Gulag.

166 posted on 11/12/2002 11:37:02 AM PST by A. Pole
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To: ppaul
All of a sudden Puntin is a 'Moyle'. Don't quit your day job.
167 posted on 11/12/2002 11:37:27 AM PST by duckman
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To: Aquinasfan
That is the truth as you believe it to be. If it is the truth, why hasn't everyone, throughout history, believed the same?
168 posted on 11/12/2002 11:38:56 AM PST by stuartcr
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To: mikeIII
Yeah but if they do they'll incur death threats most likely, like anyone else who speaks against Islam when they previously practiced it. Like Salman Rushdie and Ergun Caner (and his brothers) who left Islam.
169 posted on 11/12/2002 11:39:13 AM PST by Terriergal
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To: Aquinasfan
I remember my husband talking to a friend of his who was trying to do a paper on "truth is in the eye of the beholder." Wonder how it turned out?
170 posted on 11/12/2002 11:40:34 AM PST by Terriergal
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To: Terriergal
Well good, I learned something. Does this make me a Muslim?
171 posted on 11/12/2002 11:41:15 AM PST by stuartcr
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To: areafiftyone
Are we sure this wasn't like Kennedy's I'm a doughnut speech in Berlin ?:o)

Stay Safe !

172 posted on 11/12/2002 11:41:16 AM PST by Squantos
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To: ItisaReligionofPeace
That would naturally give rise to the question of "how do you know those things? From where/with whom do those definitions originate?"
173 posted on 11/12/2002 11:41:56 AM PST by Terriergal
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To: stuartcr
Yes. I don't have to work hard at being mean. It comes quite easily. But that doesn't mean that I plan to do the easy thing. In fact, I work at the opposite.

Much like (to use a tired cliche) sitting in a boat on a river. If I don't work at it, the river will carry me downstream to the waterfall. I can't hope to get upstream without rowing.
174 posted on 11/12/2002 11:45:08 AM PST by Terriergal
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To: Terriergal
Why did you send me that link? I have always had a belief in one God, creator of all.
175 posted on 11/12/2002 11:45:22 AM PST by stuartcr
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To: Aquinasfan
Oh come now, he's being civil, you can too.
176 posted on 11/12/2002 11:45:45 AM PST by Terriergal
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To: stuartcr
If it is the truth, why hasn't everyone, throughout history, believed the same?

Because we're not the Borg.

177 posted on 11/12/2002 11:46:35 AM PST by Terriergal
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To: Terriergal
Oh, I understand that the question of what do you base your beliefs on will arise...Let me just put it to you like this: I believe in Life, Liberty and the pursuit of happiness so long as they do not interfere with the rights of others. I believe that people should treat others in the same manner they would want to be treated. (does not apply to practioners of S&M) Cultures, religions and people who do not believe or live this are inferior. It's really not that complicated.
178 posted on 11/12/2002 11:46:57 AM PST by ItisaReligionofPeace
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To: stuartcr
Well good, I learned something. Does this make me a Muslim?

Nope.

179 posted on 11/12/2002 11:47:16 AM PST by Terriergal
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To: ItisaReligionofPeace
I never said anyones culture is better than any others. I know what I like, and I wouldn't trade my current American culture for any other in history. I know right from wrong also, what has that to do with someones religious beliefs?
180 posted on 11/12/2002 11:48:59 AM PST by stuartcr
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