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Putin tells reporter to 'get circumcised'
ABC News ^ | 11/12/02 | staff

Posted on 11/12/2002 8:50:00 AM PST by ppaul

Russia's media expressed has shock over a remark by Russian President Vladimir Putin at the Russia-EU summit in which he urged a Western reporter asking about the war in Chechnya to come to Moscow and "get circumcised".

Mr Putin's comments, made at a closing press conference of the Russia-EU summit in Brussels, were played by TVS television station and republished by several major Moscow newspapers and Internet sites.

The Kommersant business daily reports Mr Putin was asked a Danish reporter why Russia was using mine warfare in the separatist North Caucasus republic and exterminating Chechen civilians.

Reports say Mr Putin became infuriated by the question and launched an unprecedented defence of the three-year Chechen war that at one stage went off on a tangent.

"You, if I am not mistaken, represent an ally [of the US war on terror] and are therefore in danger," Mr Putin told the reporter, according to a transcript that appeared in the Vremya Novostei daily.

"They [the Chechens] talk about killing non-Muslims and if you are a Christian, you are in danger. And even if you are an atheist, you are in danger," Mr Putin is quoting as saying.

"If you decide to become a Muslim - even then you are not safe, because traditional Islam contradicts the conditions and goals that they [the Chechens rebels] set.

"But if you are prepared to become the most radical Islamist and prepared to get circumcised - I invite you to Moscow.

"We have specialists that deal with this problem. I suggest that you do such an operation that nothing grows out of you again," Mr Putin reportedly said.

Mr Putin is known for his tough talk that at times becomes interlaced with slang used by criminals and the military.

He launched the war in the predominantly Muslim Chechen republic in October 1999 by threatening to "waste [the Chechens] while they sit in their outhouses".

Russian media say a Kremlin aide explained to reporters after the Brussels press conference that Mr Putin was tired during the summit after a hectic working schedule.

The wide coverage given to Mr Putin's remarks appears unusual for a Russian media that has grown to carefully toe the Kremlin line in recent months.

Advice dismissed

Meanwhile, Mr Putin has brushed aside European advice on a peaceful solution to the Chechen conflict, saying it had to be solved by the Russian and Chechen people alone.

"Of course we listen to advice from our colleagues in Europe," Mr Putin told a news conference in Oslo after talks with German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder, who said he hoped for a peaceful, political solution in Chechnya.

But he added: "It is an internal Russian problem to be solved between the Chechen people and the Russian federation."

Russia has scrapped plans for a partial military pullout from the southerly province since Chechen separatists took a Moscow theatre hostage last month.

The siege ended with the deaths of 128 hostages and 41 rebels.

"We don't want to turn up our noses and say that others' opinions are irrelevant," Mr Putin said.

But he added: "The problem is so complicated that no one can give really good advice."

Mr Putin said Europe had some good examples of conflict resolution but that other conflicts had rumbled on unsolved in other parts of Europe for hundreds of years.

Mr Putin has shown no sign of reining in the Russian military in Chechnya, where thousands of people have died in almost a decade of fighting.

Mr Putin has said a new constitution and elections offer the best prospects of a swift resolution.

"The political process on Chechnya must continue," Mr Schroeder said.

Mr Putin and Mr Schroeder met in Oslo because Mr Putin cancelled a planned visit to Germany last month during the theatre siege. Both men were, by coincidence, on visits to the Nordic nation.

Mr Schroeder and Mr Putin also said a UN resolution seeking to disarm Iraq offered a chance of peace.

Shortly afterwards, Iraq's parliament voted to reject the resolution while leaving the final decision to President Saddam Hussein.

Mr Putin said he hoped Arab countries would bring pressure on Iraq to comply.

Mr Putin said Moscow was keeping up contacts with Baghdad but that only Saddam knew what Iraq would finally decide.

Mr Schroeder reiterated on Monday that Germany would not take part in any US-led attacks on Iraq if Saddam failed to comply fully with the resolution.

Mr Schroeder won popularity before his re-election in September by ruling out sending troops.



TOPICS: Breaking News; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
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To: Matchett-PI; the_doc; ppaul; RnMomof7; oldglory; Luke FReeman
Anyone else listening to Rush online? Man the Windows Media player feed has a lot of artifacts in it. ergh ... bizarre sounding.
141 posted on 11/12/2002 11:09:38 AM PST by Terriergal
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To: ppaul
He left out the last part.

Get circumcised, you prick!!

hahahA! Putin certainly has a way with words.
142 posted on 11/12/2002 11:10:29 AM PST by swarthyguy
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To: ppaul
My reaction to Putin is the same as W's: I like the guy.

Chechnya has been part of Russia for centuries. Allow its secession to stand and it becomes the devil's workshop for every terrorist plot and CBN weapons program known to mankind -- and some that aren't. Retention of Chechnya and destruction of the Islamist conspiracy there is in both Russia's interest and ours.

To Putin's comment, I would only add: with a dull fishing knife.

Personally, I think Bush should be less courteous in public discourse. There's a phrase we have down here that bonds every White male Southerner: kiss my rebel a**. We shouldn't expect a President to have super-human self control. I'd like to hear it used once in a while.


143 posted on 11/12/2002 11:10:38 AM PST by Man of the Right
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To: stuartcr
Absolutely correct, when it comes to religions, and God, and things metaphysical, no one knows what is true.

Gosh that's just what Islam teaches.

144 posted on 11/12/2002 11:10:49 AM PST by Terriergal
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To: stuartcr
The ones [Muslims] that I know, that do not want to hate and kill people, also live in the real world.

They can't be Muslims, then. The need to convert out of that FALSE religion which requires the hatred and the killing that's happening everyday, everywhere, through Islam.

145 posted on 11/12/2002 11:11:45 AM PST by mikeIII
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To: Terriergal
Absolutely. Good and bad.
146 posted on 11/12/2002 11:12:12 AM PST by stuartcr
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To: stuartcr
"Absolutely correct, when it comes to religions, and God, and things metaphysical, no one knows what is true."

Well, I'm probably opening a can of worms here, but I have to respectfully disagree with you on that last point, stuart. :)

147 posted on 11/12/2002 11:12:18 AM PST by valleygal
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To: valleygal
Yeah, the suffering pain and trauma comes from the child being restrained and nowadays virtually nothing else because they use local anaesthetics. The child is upset just like when you restrain him to put on his snowsuit or put him in his carseat.
148 posted on 11/12/2002 11:12:41 AM PST by Terriergal
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To: All
Here is the passage from the Bible (Galatians 5) that a previous poster referred to. Here Paul is preaching against legalism and those Jewish Christians who were requiring people to be circumsised.

Brothers, if I am still preaching circumcision, why am I still being persecuted? In that case the offense of the cross has been abolished. As for those agitators, I wish they would go the whole way and emasculate themselves! You, my brothers, were called to be free. But do not use your freedom to indulge the sinful nature; rather, serve one another in love. The entire law is summed up in a single command: "Love your neighbor as yourself." If you keep on biting and devouring each other, watch out or you will be destroyed by each other.

149 posted on 11/12/2002 11:12:53 AM PST by Drawsing
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To: ItisaReligionofPeace
So you know the truth about God, our soul, what happens after death, etc?
150 posted on 11/12/2002 11:13:40 AM PST by stuartcr
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To: stuartcr; Aquinasfan
I think Aquinasfan's point was that they were part of the problem, not part of the solution. And we fought/worked hard against those groups in whatever way was/became necessary.
151 posted on 11/12/2002 11:14:29 AM PST by Terriergal
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To: Terriergal
I wasn't aware of that, as I do not follow any religion.
152 posted on 11/12/2002 11:15:22 AM PST by stuartcr
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To: thinktwice
Kruschev hated America and freedom and Christianity... Putin is open-minded about these things. There's a world of difference between the two men.
153 posted on 11/12/2002 11:16:50 AM PST by ValerieUSA
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To: stuartcr
Absolutely correct, when it comes to religions, and God, and things metaphysical, no one knows what is true.

Including this statement? Oy.

Are you still in college?

154 posted on 11/12/2002 11:17:38 AM PST by Aquinasfan
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To: stuartcr
I would say humans are more naturally capable of bad but that they have to work very hard to do good.
155 posted on 11/12/2002 11:18:14 AM PST by Terriergal
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To: mikeIII
Well, they call themselves Muslims.
156 posted on 11/12/2002 11:18:27 AM PST by stuartcr
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To: valleygal
OK.
157 posted on 11/12/2002 11:20:01 AM PST by stuartcr
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To: stuartcr
I didn't say that. I know what is Good and Just, and what is Wrong and Unjust.
158 posted on 11/12/2002 11:20:52 AM PST by ItisaReligionofPeace
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To: Aquinasfan
That was a long time ago. Is Oy a verb?
159 posted on 11/12/2002 11:22:30 AM PST by stuartcr
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To: Terriergal
Why do you say that? Is it harder for you to do a good deed for someone than it is to do something mean to them?
160 posted on 11/12/2002 11:23:53 AM PST by stuartcr
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