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Physical Evidence Points to Foul-Play in TWA Flight 800 Disaster
11/9/02 | John Fiorentino

Posted on 11/08/2002 10:50:42 PM PST by JohnFiorentino

(Below are excerpts from a forthcoming story on TWA Flight 800. They are being released now in the interest of furthering the goal of re-opening the investigation into that air disaster)

Evidence I have recently uncovered would seem to indicate that the pellets referred to in the BNLabs report may be an indicator of foul play re: TWA800. (The pellets being referred to here were recovered from several victims of the crash at autopsy)

The general consensus among several experts I have contacted indicates the pellets are CMC's or Ceramic Matrix Composites. (most likely pizeoelectric ceramics) Boeing has already indicated to me that they are NOT from the aircraft.

I have investigated the possibility these pellets may have come from the engines of the 747. However, in conversations and research with Pratt & Whitney I have ruled this out. Although some CMC's are utilized on P&W later model engines they were not in use on the engine models which powered TWA Fl800.

Below you will find some information regarding these materials.

(Some sources have been witheld)

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Piezoelectric materials generate an electrical voltage when their surfaces are stretched or compressed as a result of vibration.

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Over time, the company began to investigate other applications for its bone conduction technology. "In the early 70s, we started to work with General Dynamics on the Stinger Missile System,"

Harold Holsopple, President, Sensory Devices, Inc.,

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I apologize for not responding earlier. ........ from your description, it appears that the material could be some type of titanate-zirconate. Ca and Ba are common elements found in titanates. These are mostly piezoelectric ceramic materials.

My experience is mostly in mechanical properties of structural type ceramics. These appear to be electronic ceramics.

(Source witheld)

In conclusion, it would appear that the NTSB's stated "mechanical failure" scenario is the LEAST likely among the three categories initially considered -- Bomb, Missile, Mechanical failure.

Based on the foregoing I believe NTSB and FBI should be compelled to re-open their investigations.

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Copyright 2002, John E. Fiorentino -- All rights reserved


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To: willyone
Bull shit. Some of you people are so stupid. CEC had nothing to do with 800. Get over it. The ship named by Salinger and others did not have CEC and was incapable of supporting CEC. Wrong baseline. The people pushing this lame theory do not even know the purpose of CEC. Give it a rest. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Salinger never named a ship. The only 'other' person that ever named a ship was a Brit fedbuttkisser, as you seem to be, who mentioned a Japanese based destroyer, the USS O'Brien, an impossibility, of course, if the O'Brien were at it's home base at the time.zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz All Salinger ever mentioned was a sailor's father calling him to tell him that his son told him that their ship shot down twa800. Salinger claims he didn't think to ask for a name for the sailor. I believe Salinger's claim. The rest of your claims are equally nonsensical. Except that some of you people are so stupid. That's true. The CEC test program the summer of '96 was real. The test underway when twa800 was shot down by a navy accident was to test the data link between the Normandy and the forward shooters, like destroyers, frigates and even barges. The navy does not test missiles in crowded airspaces. That part is stupid.cccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccc Perhaps you could give us an explanation of the purpose of CEC. LOL Here's what I have from the people that claim to have shot twa800 down: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx You've heard of CEC, Cooperative Engagement Capability? We _were_ testing it. A lot of the stuff written about it, as far as Flight 800 goes, is pretty bogus (I can't believe anyone took the submarine launched missile theory seriously, someone was smoking crack when they made that up) but the essentials are correct. Ships like 'us' have a lot of magazine capacity we don't usually use, and so we can carry a couple of dozen SAMs. We get a data stream from the controlling ship, usually an AEGIS destroyer (most of the Tico's don't have the datalink bandwidth yet, they're getting it as part of an upgrade program though) and program it into the missile, then fire it on command. The AEGIS ship then takes over the weapon exactly as if she'd launched it herself, keeps kicking the autopilot to fly into the basket, then lights up the target with a SPG-62 for terminal homing. The idea was originally to get more arrows out into the Fleet to deal with Soviet attacks, which would try to saturate us with missiles and decoys so we'd run out of SAMs before we killed all the threats. Now, though, it's even more useful because you can still have a Standard-armed shooter even if you don't have enough AEGIS ships to be everywhere, or you can put some weapons further out along the threat axis without exposing an AEGIS ship. We Sprucan types like it because we're likely to be on the gun line or trolling for Kilos out there anyway, and this gave us more reach and more protection against air or missile threats. Anyway, a big chunk of the system development was to offload the AEGIS as much as possible and give us some autonomy. CEC engagements all being run from the AAW controller is fine for stopping Ivan tagging the birdfarm, when one ship wants to control and coordinate all the SAM shots for the BG. It sucks, though, when you've got threat inbound and the AAWC isn't prioritising you or can't see them and so you're on your own. So, the CEC system was being updated to give the carrier ship more say in the engagement. We still couldn't illuminate for the Standards, but the Raytheon guys were datalinking target data from the Mark 23 TAS out to the AEGIS so they could see our tactical picture and set up the engagement based on that. All fine and dandy so far. Only some genius at NSWC pointed out that the limiting factor now was still illuminators, so if we had a seaskimmer and the AEGIS is too far away or off-axis it's down in the multipath and the AEGIS can't designate the target. Since the Really Big Threat these days is high-speed seaskimming missiles lobbed off mobile launchers or from FACs, that sucks. So, they figured, why not give the weapon autonomous terminal homing? Gee, we've got this really nice Hughes I2R module that's getting stuffed into missiles all over the place (it's going in AIM-9X, the Brits use it in ASRAAM, think the Krauts put it in IRIS-T) and is a non-development item and just needs a new nose section, and hey presto you've got the biggest heatseeker in the world. Multipath? Stealth? Radar jamming? Who cares? It's hot, go kill it. Sic'em, boy! Now _everyone's_ happy because this expands everyone's options. Isn't just us Sprucans who can use it, of course, this is getting bandied about as a Stealth-killer for anyone with a Mark 41 (Stealth planes might be hard to track on radar, but they're hot compared to the sky, the Brits keep bragging how they 'killed' a B-2 with the IR tracker on a Rapier 2000 at Farnborough '94). But the big deal is, it offloads the AEGIS illuminators, shortens engagement times, and ups the Pk against puckermakers like Sunburn to something acceptable. Or at least that's the Big Picture that happy July. We were going to go see how it worked.zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Willyone, do you know any of the terms above? I'm retired from Dahlgren, the accused, and I had to look several of the navy terms up. The story is solid. Sadly, the sailors can't speak up. Just like on the Tonkin Gulf fraud that cost us 58,000 lives and the 'gooks' 1.3 million lives. Remember Vietnam? Not one sailor spoke up to expose the fraud even though there were three destroyers loaded with sailors (about a thousand) involved. We have four ships right under the twa800 crashsite. There goes the bullshit argument that the navy didn't shoot down twa800 because someone would have spoken up. Your post is reckless. And makes about as much sense as Asmodus'.
101 posted on 11/13/2002 10:23:57 AM PST by thatstan
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To: timestax
Timestax wrote to himself:

How about the 25 knot speedboat that Mr. James Kallstrom "morphed" into a "helicopter"! Like, um, why did he do that?

s; For the same reason you 'morphed' the ship into a speedboat probably. The radar couldn't even pick up the 110 foot Adak cutter. How do you expect it to pick up a Cigar? Or is that cigarette? At least you didn't call it a surfaced sub like many. The claim is it was a destroyer fleeing the scene of the crime at flank (30-32 knots) on orders of LANTFLT or higher. That puts the start of the coverup at about 2-3 minutes following shootdown. Perhaps Osmodeus can give us a timeline to the hundredth of a second.

I think I have something on that. I'll look:

"That's how it happened. Someone screwed the pooch big-time at Raytheon and mispackaged a functional 400 Section with fully functional Mark 104 motor as inert. It got mated up to the rest of the missile, stuck in a blue can and shipped to us as a GMTR. It had all the rest of the GMTR hardware, and when it got the usual startup test signals it read back "yup, I'm an inert training weapon, it's safe, give me a full diagnostic including a launch signal..." Automated sequence, takes less than a second from start to finish.

"The CO was on the horn ASAP, of course, to tell LANTFLT what had happened and find out just what the hell we were meant to do. The first order was to get over there and look for survivors, scramble the helo, see if anyone lived through it. We're turning into the wind to get the helo off and hauling it onto the fantail when that gets countermanded and we're given a course out of there at flank speed. I didn't hear who issued that order but it had to be LANTFLT or higher, it was a couple of minutes after we turned to start rescue ops.

"Nobody liked that. But, what the hell could we do? The CO had his orders and he followed them and we were just passengers. We made flank for the best part of two hours, then slowed down and started just cutting circles at twelve knots."

Do you believe that sh*t? I do.

Loose lips sink ships. Better make that sink navy coverups. Thanks to Osmodeus I speak HTML now. Notice? Well, just in black and white so far, but we all have to start somewhere. He's a nice person really. I just don't understand his 'timeline.' I don't think he's a shill for Lee Kriendler, but if he is, Kriendler is really getting ripped off! LOL PS I'd print the whole sailors' story but I'm only authorized to print snippets at a time. Perhaps things will change in a few years. The tip of the iceberg is better'n nothin - but boring. I'm sorry.

102 posted on 11/14/2002 6:11:30 PM PST by thatstan
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To: JohnFiorentino
None of the gubment cheerleaders ever offer a viable alternative to a missile strike!!Never have!
103 posted on 11/15/2002 3:27:08 PM PST by timestax
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To: muggs
bump
104 posted on 11/15/2002 4:37:31 PM PST by timestax
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To: timestax
bttt
105 posted on 11/18/2002 6:50:00 PM PST by timestax
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To: Asmodeus; Swordmaker
"Recently, Swordmaker, a "shootdown" conspiracy theorist, published a sequential timeline "

Ping
106 posted on 11/19/2002 12:10:08 PM PST by Tymesup
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To: GBA; Asmodeus
Clinton executed an amendment to the Death on the High Seas Act, which allowed the families of the victims to recover considerably more than they would have.

I posted quite a while ago about one group of victims who had settled the case. The article would not quote amounts but the inference was they were at least several hundred thousand and possibly two million.
107 posted on 11/19/2002 12:14:41 PM PST by Tymesup
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To: Tymesup
Boeing seem to do fairly well shortly after. I need to go back over the timeline, but, in acquiring McDonnel Aircraft Co., Boeing is sitting on most of the US aerospace business. No monopoly there, nope, none at all. No serious export problems to China either. Odd that Boeing would just give up fighting against being blamed for a mechanical defect (funny how exploding center tanks has been such a huge problem on the B747) and fighting accepting the financial liability and instead come up with a bogus mod to fix a non-problem.

If I had an army of lawyers at my disposal, I think I'd fight admitting that my proven design just blew up, especially when witnesses saw a missile going up and flaming airplane parts falling back down. Unless someone made it worth my while and gave me something I wanted.

108 posted on 11/19/2002 6:24:41 PM PST by GBA
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To: timestax
None of the gubment cheerleaders ever offer a viable alternative to a missile strike!!Never have!

Liar.

I have - and on MANY occasions.

109 posted on 01/28/2003 6:57:14 PM PST by _Jim
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To: timestax
Let the ignorant be ignorant no longer (the stupid, however, I can't do much about):

Boeing 747 Hull Ruptures in Flight.

"Forward cargo doors are opening inadvertently in flight in high time Boeing 747s, causing death and destruction, AI 182, PA 103, UAL 811, and TWA 800. Full documentation for claim is on URL: http://www.corazon.com/crashcontentspagelinks.html "

Contents




First Boeing 747





Forward Cargo Door, main equipment center, number three engine, right wing fillet all seen clearly




Inside.





Forward cargo door seen closed


Comment: These pictures of all models of Boeing 747 show the relationships among forward cargo door, the number three engine, the nose, the main equipment compartment, passenger seating, and large tail.

Boeing 747
Passenger aircraft, 1968
Development:
First Model 747 prototype was completed on September 30, 1968. It made its first flight on February 9, 1969.
Modifications:
Model 747-100 - first production version, seating for 500, first flight January 22, 1970
Model 747-100B - CF6-45A2 engines, first flight June 21, 1979
Model 747-200B - increased payload capacity, first flight November 18, 1974, entered service March 1975
Model 747-200C - convertible passenger/cargo version, first flight March 23, 1973, entered service December 5, 1973
Model 747-200F - cargo version with opening nose (similar to C-5 or An-124), first flight November 30, 1971, entered service April 19, 1972
Model 747-300 - extended upper deck, first flight January 1983
Model 747-400 - increased range, passenger capacity, first flight April 29, 1988
Model 747-SP - smaller, long-range version with seating for 400 and range of 11000 km
Model 747-SR - short-range version of Model 747-100
VC-25A - Air Force One special transport based on Model 747-200B, first flight September 6, 1990
Service:
With American Airlines, Continental Airlines, United Airlines, Pan American, Federal Express, TWA, Northwest Airlines.
Data for Model 747-100B
Crew: 3
Wingspan: 59.6 m
Length: 70.5 m
Height: 19.3 m
Wing area: 511.0 sq. m
Empty weight: 238820 kg
Takeoff weight: 322050 kg
Engines: 4xPratt & Whitney JT9D-7, 193.5 kN of thrust each
Max. speed: 1024 km/h
Cruise speed: 963 km/h
Landing speed: 260 km/h
Climb rate: 10.2 m/s
Cruise ceiling: 13715 m
Takeoff roll: 2896 m
Landing roll: 1875 m
Range: 9580 km
Payload: 452 passengers

The open minds ask these questions in any order:
1. How and why does forward cargo door open in flight?
2. How does open door in flight cause nose to come off for AI 182, PA 103, and TWA 800?
3. Why did nose of UAL 811 stay on?
4. AI 182 and PA 103 not a bomb?
5. TWA 800 not center tank as initial event?
6. Explosive decompression enough to tear nose off?
7. Is there a conspiracy to keep cargo door explanation quiet?

Let me answer those basic questions briefly:
1. I don't know about AI 182, PA 103, or TWA 800, but UAL 811 door open cause was electrical short to door motor to unlatch position which overrode safety locking sectors and failed switch and door unlatched and opened.

PA 103 and UAL 811 had total forward cargo door openings while AI 182 and TWA 800 had rupture at aft midspan latch with bottom eight latches holding tight. Door openings were probably a result of aging aircraft, out of rig door, chafed aging faulty poly-x wiring, weakened Section 41 area, design weakness of no locking sectors for midspan latches, AAR 92/02, page 12, (Encl 26) and only one latch per eight feet of vertical door. AI 182, PA 103, and TWA 800 had similar circumstances.

2. Cargo door opens and huge ten by thirty foot hole appears in nose, structural members of door and frame are missing, floor beams are fractured, bent, and broken, aircraft direction is askew, flight control surfaces affected, engines damaged, and 300 knots, more than the fastest hurricane or force five tornado on earth, hits damaged area and tears nose off within three to five seconds.

3. Nose of UAL 811 may have stayed on because pilot said he had just come off autopilot and did not fight plane as it gyrated, or plane was younger than others, or the time from door opening to tearing off was 1.5 seconds and allowed the pressurization to be relieved somewhat and six less feet of width of hole was torn off. Cargo door inadvertently opened on the ground during UAL preflight in 1991 and no damage was done. Cargo door opened in flight two inches on PA 125 in 1987 and stayed attached to fuselage and only damage was cost of fuel dumped. Cargo door opened in flight for UAL 811 in 1989 and nine died when door tore off. Cargo door explanation for AI 182, PA 103, and TWA 800 has door opening inflight, tearing off, and then nose tearing off leading to three similar accident wreckage patterns, debris fields and total destruction. Door openings have different consequences depending on altitude, speed and mode of flight.

4. Yes, not a bomb for AI 182 and PA 103 as initial event. Evidence refutes bomb explanation and is in government accident reports which careful analysis will reveal and documented on www.corazon.com. Those accident investigators did not have the benefit of hindsight, the internet, or several subsequent similar accidents to compare and draw different conclusions.

5. Center tank exploded yes, but after door ruptured/opened, hole appeared in nose, nose torn off in wind, fuselage falling with disintegrating fuel tanks and ignited by fodded and on fire engine number 3 or 4 at 7500 feet thereby explaining the Chairman's question, "Why so few bodies burned?" The answer is they were not there to be burned. The nose came off with the passengers inside cabin and descended to ocean alone. The center tank exploded into nothingness not the passenger compartment.

6. Explosive decompression is enough to rupture pressurized hull at weak spot, one latch for eight feet of door, in a weak area, Section 41, but not enough to tear nose off. The ultimate destructive force is the 300 knots of slipstream, more powerful than any wind on earth. If cargo door popped in balloon, the large hole would appear but the nose would stay on. In a tornado, nose comes off within three to five seconds.

7. There is no conspiracy, no plot, no coverup by anyone involved with the cargo door explanation:

a. No conspiracy of Sikh terrorists named Singh to put a bomb on AI 182; the door ruptured in flight.

b. No conspiracy of Libyan terrorists or whoever to put a bomb on PA 103; the door ruptured in flight.

c. No conspiracy to detonate a bomb on UAL 811 as the passengers thought, as the crew thought and told the tower who told the Coast Guard and crash crews on the ground as they prepared for a wounded 747 coming in after a bomb blast; the door ruptured in flight.

d. No conspiracy to put a bomb on TWA 800, no conspiracy of terrorists to shoot a missile, no coverup by US Navy to hide accidental shootdown, no coverup by Boeing, NTSB, FAA, TWA who know the cargo door is the problem and are hiding that knowledge; the door ruptured in flight.

 

There is no conspiracy or cover up or plot but it is understandable for the public and others to believe that explanation: Cargo door cause is subtle.

1. The explosive decompression of door rupture mimics a bomb with noise and blast effects.

2. The events happen years apart in different jurisdictions with different airlines.

3. Explosive decompression of door rupture leaves no direct evidence such as soot, only noise on CVR tape.

4. The cargo door manufacturer and operator are large and highly respected companies.

5. Explosive decompression causes secondary diversionary effects such as fireball from center tank explosion and relatively mild blast in cargo compartment of incendiary device.

6. A door opening and slipstream are considered trivial things by the public who thinks of a car trunk opening at highway speed not understanding high internal force of pressurization, large size of cargo door, and destructive force of 320 miles per hour on weakened structure.

7. Cargo door explanation assumes responsibility for rupture by manufacturer, operator, government, while bomb or missile can be blamed elsewhere.


110 posted on 01/28/2003 7:01:50 PM PST by _Jim
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To: timestax

Smith Table for Matches for Air India Flight 182, Pan Am Flight 103, United Airlines Flight 811, Trans World Airlines Flight 800, and China Airlines Flight 611

Evidence

AI 182

(Forward Cargo Door)

PA103

(Forward Cargo Door)

UAL 811

(Forward Cargo Door)

TWA 800

(Forward Cargo Door)

China Airlines Flight 611

(Aft Cargo Door)

Boeing 747 Yes Yes Yes Yes  Yes
Early model -100 or -200  Yes Yes Yes Yes  Yes 
Overpressure relief door(s) in forward cargo door open/jammed Maybe Yes Yes Yes  Missing in Aft Cargo Door
Sudden airframe breakup in flight (partial or total) Yes Yes Yes Yes  Yes 
Breakup occurs amidships Yes Yes Yes Yes No, aft of wing. 
High flight time (over 55,000 flight hours) No Yes Yes Yes  Yes 
Aged airframe (over 18 years of service) No Yes Yes Yes  Yes 
Previous maintenance problems with forward cargo door Yes Maybe Yes Maybe Unknown 
Initial event within an hour after takeoff No Yes Yes Yes   Yes
Initial event at about 300 knots while proceeding normally in all parameters Yes Yes Yes Yes  Yes 
Initial event has unusual radar contacts Maybe Yes Yes Yes   Yes
Initial event involves hull rupture in or near forward cargo door area Yes Yes Yes Yes  In or near aft cargo door
Initial event starts with sudden sound Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes 
Initial event sound is loud Yes Yes Yes Yes No 
Initial event sound is audible to humans Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes 
Initial event followed immediately by abrupt power cut to data recorder Yes Yes Yes Yes No, FDR cut first, then CVR power
Initial event sound matched to explosion of bomb sound No No No No No 
  AI 182 PA103 UAL 811 TWA 800 China Airlines Flight 611
Initial event sound matched to explosive decompression sound in wide body airliner Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes, Rapid Decompression 
Torn off skin on fuselage above forward cargo door area Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes for aft door 
Unusual paint smears on and above forward cargo door Maybe Maybe Yes Yes Unknown 
Evidence of explosion in forward cargo compartment Yes Yes Yes Yes Unknown in aft 
Foreign object damage to engine or cowling of engine number three Yes Yes Yes Yes Unknown 
Fire/soot in engine number three

Maybe

Yes

Yes

Yes

  Unknown
Foreign object damage to engine or cowling of engine number four

Yes

Yes

Yes

Yes

 Unknown
Right wing leading edge damaged in flight Yes Maybe Yes Maybe Unknown 
Vertical stabilizer damaged in flight Yes Yes Yes Maybe Yes 
  AI 182 PA103 UAL 811 TWA 800 China Airlines Flight 611 
Right horizontal stabilizer damaged in flight

Yes

Yes

Yes

Yes

 Unknown
More severe inflight damage on starboard side than port side

Yes

Yes

Yes

Yes

 Unknown
Port side relatively undamaged by inflight debris

Yes

Yes

Yes

Yes

 Unknown
Vertical fuselage tear lines just aft or forward of the forward cargo door

Yes

Yes

Yes

Yes

 Yes for aft cargo door
Fracture/tear/rupture at a midspan latch of forward cargo door

Maybe

Yes

Yes

Yes

 Unknown
Midspan latching status of forward cargo door reported as latched

No

No

No

No

 Unknown
Airworthiness Directive 88-12-04 implemented (stronger lock sectors)

No

No

No

Yes

 Unknown
Outwardly peeled skin on upper forward fuselage

Yes

Yes

Yes

Yes

 Unknown
Rectangular shape of shattered area around forward cargo door

Yes

Yes

Yes

Yes

 Unknown
Forward cargo door fractured in two longitudinally

Yes

Yes

Yes

Maybe

 Yes for aft cargo door
Status of aft cargo door as intact and latched Yes Yes Yes Maybe No 
  AI 182 PA103 UAL 811 TWA 800 China Airlines Flight 611 
Passengers suffered decompression type injuries Yes Yes Yes Yes Unknown 
At least nine missing and never recovered passenger bodies Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes 
Wreckage debris field in two main areas, forward and aft sections of aircraft

Yes

Yes

No

Yes

 Yes
Initial official opinion of probable cause as bomb explosion.

Yes

Yes

Yes

Yes

 No and considered
Initial official determination modified from bomb explosion

Yes

Yes

Yes

Yes

 No
  AI 182 PA103 UAL 811 TWA 800 China Airlines Flight 611 
Structural failure considered for probable cause

Yes

Yes

Yes

Yes

  Yes
Inadvertently opened forward cargo door considered for probable cause

Yes

No

Yes

Yes

 Yes for aft cargo door
Official probable cause as bomb explosion

Yes

Yes

 No

No

 Unknown
Official probable cause as 'improvised explosive device'

No

Yes

No

No

 Unknown
Official probable cause as explosion by unstated cause

Yes

No

No

No

 Unknown
Official probable cause as explosion in center fuel tank with unknown ignition source No No No Yes Unknown 
Official probable cause as improper latching of forward cargo door No No Yes No Unknown 
Official probable cause as switch /wiring inadvertently opening forward cargo door

No

No

Yes

No

 Unknown
Significant Direct and Tangible Evidence Obtained for Four B747 Breakups in Flight

AI 182

PA103

UAL 811

TWA 800

 China Airlines Flight 611
   

111 posted on 01/28/2003 7:09:46 PM PST by _Jim
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To: _Jim
I might go for your garbage but for all the eyewitnesses...they ALL can't be Liars, and Drunks. That plus FBI James Kallstrom morphing that boat, speeding away from the main event, into a "helicopter". I wonder who was in that boat, but I bet you don't wonder...yeah right, I thought so.
112 posted on 01/28/2003 9:18:47 PM PST by timestax
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To: muggs
bump forever (and a day), ha ha
113 posted on 01/29/2003 9:24:09 PM PST by timestax
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To: muggs
This Shootdown-Cover-up story just will NOT go away !
114 posted on 01/30/2003 8:07:23 AM PST by timestax
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