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To: kattracks
here is an UPDATED timeline for these two sick-o's for just 2002, up to - but not including most of the DC shootings that we already knew so much about...

This was collected by myself, TexKat, and others. I may not have assembled all the tidbits of info (yet), but I got the major stuff and I think all the shootings...


.... related info from 1991 ...


20 posted on 11/08/2002 3:10:50 AM PST by Future Useless Eater
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To: TexKat; Grampa Dave
ping to TexKat, Grampa Dave
22 posted on 11/08/2002 3:15:28 AM PST by Future Useless Eater
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To: FL_engineer
Bump and save for great timeline!



23 posted on 11/08/2002 3:36:43 AM PST by Tunehead54
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To: FL_engineer
Appreciate your efforts. Impressive and just right for bookmarking.:-)
24 posted on 11/08/2002 3:50:13 AM PST by patriciaruth
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To: FL_engineer
Good info... appreciated. If these two jack-offs were trained killers they'd still be dropping victims.

The cops really showed their innability to protect civilians.

They can show up after a murder and hold a press conference.

They are not paid to be creative... just round up the usual suspects.

26 posted on 11/08/2002 4:06:34 AM PST by johnny7
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To: FL_engineer
Great job!! Can you post your timeline on the Sniper thread archives?
30 posted on 11/08/2002 5:25:50 AM PST by Freedom2specul8
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To: FL_engineer
You can draw your own conclusions

Well okay, was White the married name, Nathaniel's mother's last name is White (Marva White). Was husband related to Nathaniel. Wonder why the marraige only lasted a month. When Nathaniel was captured in Flint, Mi. last month, he was in the process of trying to marry a women that he did not know that well. And all of a sudden showed up at her house unannounced all the way from N. J..Guess he figured the kitchen was getting too hot. He needed to get out of town.

34 posted on 11/08/2002 5:58:40 AM PST by TexKat
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To: FL_engineer
What an excellent timeline, FL engineer. You have done your homework!
39 posted on 11/08/2002 6:29:31 AM PST by Peach
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To: FL_engineer
Interesting new facts, if they are facts, in an article in this morning's Washington Post: 'I'm Sure He Had Me in His Scope': Muhammad's Ex-Wife Links Killings to Custody Fight :

By 1997, Mildred and John and converted to Islam. As their domestic problems mounted, most of their friends at the mosque sided with John, she said. He had wrongly accused her of having an affair, she said, and took the matter to the mosque. As a result, she lost her job as a secretary.

"I was made to look as if I was incompetent and pathetic," she said. "He was telling me I am not good enough, that I was not a good Muslim, not a good mother."

So, according to this article, Muhammad didn't convert until '97.

42 posted on 11/08/2002 6:35:29 AM PST by aristeides
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To: FL_engineer
Good work, thanks.
46 posted on 11/08/2002 6:54:50 AM PST by Fred Mertz
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To: jdogbearhunter; da_toolman
Ping.
See #20.
57 posted on 11/08/2002 8:00:49 AM PST by phasma proeliator
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To: FL_engineer; aristeides; Fred Mertz; Sabertooth; backhoe; Shermy; Grampa Dave; ...
Great work!

You might like to know that Osbourne owes around a thousand dollars to a truck driving school in Indiana, where he met his Flint girlfriend who says he wants to marry her,but she is not interested.

Osbourne also worked for Williams and Associates, a security company that guarded the Parkview Aprtments in New Jersey.He was fired for not watching the video cameras.There are a thousand units . A fertile ground for ID and credit theft.I wonder how many murders and robberies there?

On July 20, in El Paso, Texas at the Provost Summer Gun Show,the hand gun was stolen.It is very interesting to note that the "EL-MAIDA" Shrine was the locale."El-MAIDA" means the "TABLE" and it is the fifth surah of the Koran.

I tried to read it but it's confusing. It does mention the "HUNT" at the beginning.

I am working on a list of clues,mainly one or two words,like :

El-Maida
Bulls Eye
Bushmaster
Sure Shot
9/11
NDA21Z

Did the snipers set these "clues" up on purpose?
59 posted on 11/08/2002 8:05:29 AM PST by Betty Jo
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To: FL_engineer
Your time line on these two Black serial killers gets better each day.

Thanks for all of your work.
62 posted on 11/08/2002 8:30:46 AM PST by Grampa Dave
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To: FL_engineer
excellent job on the time line!
67 posted on 11/08/2002 9:03:44 AM PST by iceskater
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To: FL_engineer
August 2002 - There may have been a Carribean newspaper saying Muhammad was seen in Antigua in August 2002. (We can no longer find it - plus Antigua reports don't always appear reliable).

Here are a few Antigua links I was able to dig up...

Brian Gonsalves, Antigua's director of internal security, said authorities never found a connection between Reid and the island. But he said authorities need to look into the matter because Muhammad was on the island in 2000 and 2001. "There's a possibility, even though it may be far-fetched," Gonsalves said…
Antigua's immigration office had no record of Muhammad's departure. Nelson said he saw him last in March.
Click here, then click on the Washington Post story.
You won't have to sign up or log in.

Muhammad came to Antigua on May 20, 2001, with three children from his failed second marriage, according to Col. Clyde Walker, Antigua's chief immigration officer.
John Lee Malvo, the 17-year-old who also was charged in the sniper attacks, was living in Antigua at the time with his mother, Una James…
Antiguan neighbor says sniper suspect touted aim (JOHN ALLEN MUHAMMAD)

Documents released last week indicated that Mr. Muhammad might have fraudulently obtained an Antiguan passport that was issued to him on July 4, 2000. The documents showed that he obtained a passport because his mother, Eva Ferris, was born in Antigua. However, Maxine Allen, Mrs. Ferris's daughter and a newscaster on Observer Radio here, has said her family has no relation to Mr. Muhammad.
Focus on Antigua Passport (John Allen Muhammad)

John Lee Malvo, 17, was arrested at a rest stop in Frederick County, Md., and is one of two suspects in recent sniper attacks that have left 10 individuals dead and three wounded. Lee County school officials confirm that a teenager named Lee Boyd Malvo attended Cypress Lake High (Florida) from Aug. 13 to Oct. 16, 2001, and authorities presume that individual is the same person arrested Thursday….
Malvo and Muhammed are believed to have rented a home at 2510 Broadway in Fort Myers from owner Antoine Eveque.
Man Arrested In Sniper Case Attended School in Fort Myers (Pic of House)

"He told me he could get passports, any type of papers, and that he could get people into America," said Randy Nelson, a 35-year-old supermarket manager and barbershop owner who was a neighbour of Muhammad…
Although Muhammad's passport was issued in 2000, Antiguan officials said he first arrived on the island in May last year. They had no record of his departure. Nelson said he last saw him in March.
Sniper suspect sold fake passports, ran immigration scam

Dunno if that helps.




72 posted on 11/08/2002 11:07:17 AM PST by Sabertooth
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To: FL_engineer; Sabertooth; aristeides
The following was in an article from the Jamaica Observer dated Oct 26, 2002

Title: Sniper Boy Jamaica

http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/news/html/20021025t000000-0500_34180_obs_sniper_boy_jamaican.asp

But Antiguans who saw Muhammad's face on cable television claimed to have seen him on the island in recent months.

Samuir Doumith, who manages Antigua Home Office Depot, on Old Parham Road, just outside St John's, believed he saw Muhammad in his store as recently as two months ago.

"He asked about rattan furniture," Doumith was quoted as saying.

Employees of one local bank recall him doing business at their branch, but said there was nothing suspicious about him.

79 posted on 11/08/2002 1:08:45 PM PST by TexKat
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To: FL_engineer
Excellent time line.
Thanks.
81 posted on 11/08/2002 1:24:29 PM PST by FR_addict
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To: FL_engineer
FYI - At Detroit Metro airport, because of the huge Muslim population, (I think Detroit has the highest concentration in the nation), they are triple-checking EVERYONE who appears to be Muslim, before they enter the airplanes.

It's about dag-gum time.

83 posted on 11/08/2002 2:12:29 PM PST by Slyfox
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To: FL_engineer
"August 2002 @- There seem to be several reports of Muhammad sightings around DC, and Baton Rouge throughout August. I will assemble these next time. The quickest route between DC and LA passes by (1/2 hour to the west) of Bassett VA. "

Bassett of course was the home of the Short family....

look, maybe it has nothing to do with these two,but as long as you have killers stalking the whole country killing at random with a 223 and a 22 gun, then this connection between the Shorts and the MO and Mal duo need to be checked out....

86 posted on 11/08/2002 4:25:05 PM PST by cherry
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