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Libertarian and socialist dopeheads to enter spin control mode.
1 posted on 11/06/2002 8:38:41 AM PST by Thane_Banquo
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To: Thane_Banquo
Let me rephrase that: "Libertarians and socialist dopeheads." The difference between Libertarians and socialists is that Libertarians have an intellectual position for drug legalization, while socialists only want drugs legalized so they can get smack for cheaper.

Anyway, I apologize to FR libertarians for the insinuation.

2 posted on 11/06/2002 8:42:06 AM PST by Thane_Banquo
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News flash from earlier in the century: Al Capone's liquor running leads to gun buys and murder.
Of course AQ is going to deal in drugs to make money, its the only way they can make gobs of it as the prices are inflated and they're already in the terror business so they know the ropes.
3 posted on 11/06/2002 8:47:26 AM PST by lelio
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To: Thane_Banquo
Libertarian and socialist dopeheads to enter spin control mode.

What's to spin? If widgets were illegal you could trade them for arms.

4 posted on 11/06/2002 8:47:27 AM PST by putupon
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To: Thane_Banquo
Make selling drugs criminal, and only criminals will sell drugs.
6 posted on 11/06/2002 8:56:06 AM PST by John H K
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Willie Nelson to be targetted by Ashcroft?
7 posted on 11/06/2002 8:57:39 AM PST by Lexington Green
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To: Thane_Banquo
Take the profit out of selling drugs by legalizing them. That $500 bucks worth of smack would be worth about $5. Let's see any terrorist by arms. What harm could they do with a soda straw and tablet paper?

Learn some supply and demand econimcs before making such absurd allegations.

9 posted on 11/06/2002 9:01:47 AM PST by Dead Corpse
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To: Thane_Banquo
No spin needed. This news actually strenghtens one of the arguments for drug legalization. The flow of money into the hands of the violent is reinforce by the inflated prices caused by drug prohibition which stiffles competition from the peaceable and law-abiding, and (as the case of Al Capone shows) pushes the trade into the hands of more and more ruthless criminals the more strongly the prohibition is enforced.

(Liquor running on the Great Lakes was a ma-and-pa operation with very little violence associated until stiff enforcement handed it to Capone's gang.)

I myself am a moderate on the issue: if the social harms of the prohibition of a certain drug outweight the social harms of its increased use under a legalization regime, it should be legalized, if the balance is the other way, it should stay illegal. I just wish people would have the clarity of mind to distinguish which socal harms are cause by drug use and which are caused by giving the trade to criminals.

18 posted on 11/06/2002 9:23:43 AM PST by The_Reader_David
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To: Thane_Banquo
IMHO, we will likely fail in Afghanistan BECAUSE they produce poppies by the megaton. Their Islamic mullah-warlord culture/economy depends on drug money and infedels are end users. They can always import "UN" wheat.
23 posted on 11/06/2002 9:37:54 AM PST by SevenDaysInMay
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To: Thane_Banquo
Libertarian and socialist dopeheads to enter spin control mode.

Don't forget the foundational part of the equation--the entity that made the drugs illegal and thus profitable to deal in illegally. That entity is the U.S. Federal government. I know this is something you guys tend to gloss over, choosing to assume the government's role in the whole sorry mess as a given like the Calvinists view G-d's will in predestination.
29 posted on 11/06/2002 9:55:19 AM PST by aruanan
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The biggest part of this story without going off on the WOD is that they stopped the potential purchase of stinger missles. Good job Ashcroft, at least we know the war on terror is continuing and successes are being made behind the scenes.
31 posted on 11/06/2002 10:12:29 AM PST by snippy_about_it
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35 posted on 11/06/2002 10:23:15 AM PST by ppaul
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What hypocrisy!

The administration makes a big deal about having made a few arrests in a single "drugs for arms" deal, while ignoring the fact that is is their own War on Drugs that made that deal possible at all.

Ashcroft praised the agents for the great personal risk that they faced, to bring these criminals to justice, while ignoring the fact that it is his own administration's policy that required them to be put at risk in the first place.

Not only has the War on Drugs been an absolute and unconditional failure, but it creates an artificially high price for those drugs, which makes the profit for drug dealing so high that the bad guys often use drugs as currency in such deals.  In fact, for every drug bust headline that we see, there are many other deals that the government never finds out about.  If drugs were legitimized and put under the control of licensed clinics, the price of street drugs would plummet to such a level that the terrorists would not be able to use drugs to even buy a truck load of sling shots, let alone missiles and we would not be uselessly putting put our brave agents at risk.  Those agents could then be retasked to handle crimes that could not be prevented.

It's time that Dubya and Ashcroft open their eyes and accept that it's their own War on Drugs that makes such headlines possible.  On the other hand, it's probably the desire for those headlines that's driving the War on Drugs and they could care less for the agents that they put at risk.

After all, headlines are the politician's drug.

 

43 posted on 11/06/2002 11:12:28 AM PST by Action-America
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To: Thane_Banquo
They've also been smuggling cigarettes, from low-tax states to high-tax states. Maybe we should start executing tobacco farmers and smokers.

48 posted on 11/06/2002 12:26:49 PM PST by Britton J Wingfield
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To: Thane_Banquo
FOXNEWS: FBI Uncovers Al-Qaeda Drugs-for-Arms Plot

THIS IS IMPOSSIBLE!...........Afghanistan is 'OUT of the Drug-Poppy-Heroin BUSINESS'!........We Won the War and Occupy!

'Arms'?.......They have NOTHING to 'deal' with!

The Media Lies Again!

THIS IS IMPOSSIBLE!

'Just say NO'.

The Islamic U.N. would NEVER allow this!

/Sarcasm

52 posted on 11/06/2002 1:38:38 PM PST by maestro
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To: Thane_Banquo
This couldn't be true. The muslims claim that they're as pure as the driven snow and would never poison their pure and beautiful bodies with drugs, which are the scourge of the west. < /sarcasm >
55 posted on 11/06/2002 4:57:17 PM PST by Excuse_My_Bellicosity
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LINKS OF INTEREST:

FOX NEWS.com (AP): "DRUGS FOR ARMS, AL-QAEDA PLOT UNCOVERED" (ARTICLE SNIPPET: "...It is the second such plot U.S. officials said they uncovered in recent weeks. In September, four men were arrested in Hong Kong on charges of attempting to sell heroin and hashish to finance the purchase of Stinger missiles for the Al Qaeda terror network.In the Colombia case, dubbed "Operation White Terror," undercover agents secretly videotaped meetings in London, the Virgin Islands and Panama City at which the defendants allegedly discussed exchanging drugs for weapons that would be sent to the Colombian United Self Defense Forces, known as the AUC...") (ARTICLE NOTE: The suspects are identified as Uwe Jensen, age 66, Carlos Ali Romero Varela, age 43, Carlos Lopez, and a subject known as "Commandant Emilio." ARTICLE NOTE 2: Three of the suspects in the Hong Kong case are identified as Syed Mustajab Shah, from Pakistan Muhammed Abid Afridi, from Pakistanboth of Pakistan, and Ilyas Ali, a naturalized U.S. citizen originally from India.)(110602)

YAHOO! News - Columbia- UNITED SELF-DEFENSE FORCES OF COLUMBIA (AUC)

ATLANTA FBI.gov - Press Release: "TOP TEN FUGITIVE JAMES SPENCER SPRINGETTE ARRESTED" (ARTICLE SNIPPET: "Theodore Jackson, Special Agent in Charge of the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), Atlanta Division, and Robert M. Gattison, Special Agent in Charge, U.S. Customs Service, Atlanta, Georgia, announce today the arrest of Top Ten Fugitive, James Spencer Springette. Springette was placed on the FBI's Top Ten list on April 25, 2002, and U.S. Customs Most Wanted list in September of 2001. The arrest occurred on Tuesday, November 5, 2002, at approximately 1:00 p.m., EST by Venezuelan authorities near the city of Caracas. The arrest was made on the basis of information provided by Georgia authorities to include the FBI, U.S. Customs Service, DEA, and Richmond County Sheriff's Office. Also, continued investigation by the FBI's Legal Attaché (LEGAT) in Caracas, U.S. Customs Attache, DEA Country Officer, and the Venezuelan authorities resulted in Springette's arrest yesterday.") (110602)

DEA.gov - Congressional Testimony: "Statement of Asa Hutchinson, Administrator, Drug Enforcement Administration, Before the Senate Judiciary Committee, Subcommittee on Technology, Terrorism, and Government Information" (TESTIMONY SNIPPET: As the tragic events that occurred on September 11, 2001 so shockingly demonstrated, terrorist organizations are a threat to the national security of the United States. One of DEA'S priorities is to target the powerful international drug trafficking organizations. Some of these groups have never hesitated to use violence and terror to advance their interests, all to the detriment of law-abiding citizens. While DEA does not specifically target terrorists, we will target and track down drug traffickers and drug trafficking organizations involved in terrorist acts...") (March 13, 2002)

DEA.gov: "PRESS RELEASES"

THE ANTIdrug.com: "DRUGS and TERROR"

U.S. TREASURY: "EXECUTIVE ORDER 13224 - BLOCKING PROPERTY AND PROHIBITING TRANSACTIONS WITH PERSONS WHO COMMIT, THREATEN TO COMMIT, OR SUPPORT TERRORISM "

56 posted on 11/06/2002 5:34:37 PM PST by Cindy
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To: Thane_Banquo
Dear Libertarians. Legalizing drugs would not undo the harm this causes. The drugs are raw opium from Afganistan. I don't care if a few junkies hot shot themselves, but I do not want to see ten cents a gram heroin in my hood.
57 posted on 11/06/2002 6:45:13 PM PST by SSN558
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