FOXNEWS: FBI Uncovers Al-Qaeda Drugs-for-Arms Plot

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[Thane_Banquo]

FOXnews just reported that the FBI has busted up an Al-Qaeda drugs-for-arms smuggling plot.

[Zon]

It makes you so stupid you will allow yourself to be killed for one fix!!

If drugs make you stupid, what does that say about someone who declares war on them, inanimate objects that they are, and is losing?

Oh, that's right, it's not a war on drugs -- it's a war on people. As RaceBannon unequivocally states: "Those that continue to use drugs even though they can get executed for it, deserve to be executed."

[Dead Corpse]

Yeah! Let's string up anyone accused of being a drug dealer right there on the spot. That way none of them will escape justice. Then lets burn all the areas where dope crops could grow. Nuke the sites from orbit if we have to. Salt the ground so that no evil dope crops can ever grow there again.

Check your keyboard. Not only did someone steal your "Any" key, but from the looks of things may have switched around some of the other keys as well.

[SevenDaysInMay]

IMHO, we will likely fail in Afghanistan BECAUSE they produce poppies by the megaton. Their Islamic mullah-warlord culture/economy depends on drug money and infedels are end users. They can always import "UN" wheat.

[Thane_Banquo]

Right, but the issue is that, whether or not it actually keeps people from becoming addicts, fighting against drugs also means fighting terrorism, for now.

I tend to say that primary violence (as a means of enforcing contracts) will decrease if drugs were legalized, but secondary violence (addicts breaking into homes, killing the occupants and stealing their goods) will increase. In that case, I would prefer the violence between people who freely choose to take or deal drugs over the violence against people who have no choice in the matter.

[BranMakMorn]

You know, way back when, there was this quaint thing called the U.S. Constitution (http://www.house.gov/Constitution/Constitution.html). And they had things called 'amendments' that were added to the Constitution if the people wanted changes made to it.

And, you see, there was an amendment made to the Constitution (XVIII) that prohibited alcohol, which was ratified in 1919. And after a few years, there was another amendment (XXI) ratified in 1933 that repealed amendment XVIII.

It's sad that the Constitution is treated like toilet paper nowadays. If people really want federal drug prohibition, they should at least have the decency to pass a constitutional amendment rather than support unconstitutional federal drug laws.

If the people of the U.S. are really in favor of federal drug prohibition, then there should be no problem in having a constitutional amendment pass easily.

[Dead Corpse]

If, along with ending the WOD, we repealed all those un-Constitutional gun laws... secondary violence would become a VERY hazardous occupation.

Of course, you ONLY hear the Libertarians out there advocating such a thing. "No gun laws? We can't have that!" I get that from REPUBLICANS right here on FR. Sickening to think people could love the LIBERAL agenda that much to adopt it as their own.

[John H K]

Start executing drug dealers. That will send a message.

They do this in Iran...by the truck load. Iran has a MASSIVE problem with drug use and addicts...arguably worse as a percentage of the population than the US.

If a violent theocratic dictatorship in a country where all drugs are specifically prohibited by their religion can't win a drug war, how will the US win?

There's plenty of alcohol in Saudi Arabia too, btw. Even they can't stop their "illegal drugs."

[thoughtomator]

If you keep swallowing propoganda whole like that, you'll be voting Democrat before you know it. Drugs only have a high value because of the WoD. No WoD = no immense profits from the drug trade. The drug warriors and their rabidly irrational supporters - like you - are the best allies of the criminal enterprises that now run the drug trade.

YOU are culpable in providing this opportunity for Al-Queda to make the money they are making off the drug trade. Your own rhetoric marks you as an enemy of the American people.

For shame - go spew your twisted authoritarian crap elsewhere. This is a place for people who love freedom and take seriously the responsibility that comes with it.

[aruanan]

Libertarian and socialist dopeheads to enter spin control mode.

Don't forget the foundational part of the equation--the entity that made the drugs illegal and thus profitable to deal in illegally. That entity is the U.S. Federal government. I know this is something you guys tend to gloss over, choosing to assume the government's role in the whole sorry mess as a given like the Calvinists view G-d's will in predestination.

[snippy_about_it]

The biggest part of this story without going off on the WOD is that they stopped the potential purchase of stinger missles. Good job Ashcroft, at least we know the war on terror is continuing and successes are being made behind the scenes.

[TopQuark]

A big, heartfelt bump!

[MD_Willington_1976]

"Plus I won't have to see an ad on TV that equates buying some pot to a family getting killed in Central America."

More than likely it would be fueding Asian gangs doing a home invasion in Vancouver British Columbia...Pot from Central America... that's just the crap crop along with poppies they grow to throw off the DEA and keep them busy. I bet more Bud comes out of British Columbia then Columbia.

[ppaul]

[Grover_Cleveland]

Legal heroin would still be run by criminals, terrorists and drug lords because it generates cash and the drugs are a relatively compact store of value, even at the lower legalization prices. I doubt the street price would decline much under legalization as that demand is inelastic. However the drug lords would lose margin under legalization which they would try to make up thru increased market share and volume.

Is legal tobacco run by criminals, terrorists and drug lords?

[FreeTally]

So you agree with Karl Marx on the correlation of religion and drugs? How quaint.

Any honest person can see that in many cases, religion is used as "an opiate of the people". However, that wasn't even close to my point.

The point is that the posted RB made a typical idiotic post, and I simply showed that there are many peaceful activities which death was the punishment for, that people continued. Believing in Christ, or any other religion, does not violate anyone's rights, however, there have been societies and governments that punished worship with death. The act of using "drugs" does not violate anyone's rights, however we have governments that punish it with death(And RB who prescribes the same thing). Simple analogy. No government has the right to restrict or ban activities that are not a violation of individual rights.

Christianity (and Judaism before it) brought us the underpinnings of the moral and cultural and political system that guarantees the freedoms we (still) have now -

I have no beef with the fact that Christianity played a major role in the founding of this country. But Christianity has brought misery and suffering to people in the past who would not conform. And the teachings of Christ in no way say to force compliance with "God's laws". Christianity in its pure form does help "guarantee freedoms" like you say. However, this country probably has never had a political system that was based upon pure Christianity.

illegal drugs have brought us...mmm, ok, some decent music from the 60's..

Silly hippie joke. Individual rights are not based upon someone's, or a group's, perception of utility.

Which plane would you prefer to fly on -one with a "religious" pilot or one on heroin?

Irrelevant to anything in the discussion, not to mention the silliness of suggesting a piolet would use such a drug while operating a plain(although many have been caught drunk on legal booze).

[William Tell]

Grover_Cleveland said: "Is legal tobacco run by criminals, terrorists and drug lords?"

Coming real soon... Cigaret smuggling to avoid differential tax rates is a booming business.

[FreeTally]

I bet more Bud comes out of British Columbia then Columbia.

Well, the U.S. doesn't get much pot from Columbia, mainly due to its bulky nature(the distance to travel) and that Mexico is right there to the south. A ton of pot is a lot harder tro transport than a ton of cocaine or heroine.

I firmly believe the talk about "pot from other countries" is a smoke screne for the Feds so that they do not have to admit that most is domestically grown and there is no way to stop it. That's an admission that they failed. As long as it comes from "other" countries, we can talk about "drug interdiction" programs and more border guards - and many people have no problem. You start talking about busting the heads of American's smoking or growing weed, you got problems.

[TexKat]

The biggest part of this story without going off on the WOD is that they stopped the potential purchase of stinger missles.

Thanks snippy_about_it, I thought for a minute I was on the wrong thread.

that they stopped the potential purchase of stinger missles.

And they caught and have locked up another few of the enemies amongst us.