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Beltway Sniper Shootings-FR Commentary-Thurs., Oct. 24,2002
Fox News, CNN, Press Conferences | October 24, 2002 | Fox News, CNN, Press Conferences

Posted on 10/24/2002 2:38:22 AM PDT by wewillnotfail

Overnite, two men arrested while sleeping in their car at a reststop in MD. John Mohammed aka John Williams and his stepson Lee Malvo. Mohammad is thought to be the likely shooter.


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events; US: District of Columbia; US: Maryland; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: dc; maryland; religionofpeace; rop; shootings; sniper; terrorism; virginia
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To: All
Any recommendations for streaming audio/video news? I have waaaay too much work to do to keep up on this thread, but can stream via T1 connection.

TIA!!!

1,121 posted on 10/24/2002 8:14:34 AM PDT by BornOnTheFourth
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To: The Ghost of Richard Nixon
Yeh, there's a "brain" in this scenario dictating the location of the hits and the times and the escape routes, showing them the sites and camera locations through pictures

AND making runs just before to make sure there is no road closures or construction slowdowns or site changes AND keeping track of the media stuff to make all those decisions for this "invisible team".

These guys aren't two supermen, they're far from "brains".

No, there's someone else feeding them, clothing them, giving them a rest stop etc and instructing them at least until the last weekend.

Sac

1,122 posted on 10/24/2002 8:15:17 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: m1911
If I recall correctly .. it was not long after 9/11 he changed his name
1,123 posted on 10/24/2002 8:15:21 AM PDT by Mo1
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To: mondonico
They show'd muhammed's liscense plate (nda-217) and said it was registered last year on 9-11 at 8:17. Spoke of a bomb scare right afterwards but didn't say where the bomb scare was (that I heard)
1,124 posted on 10/24/2002 8:15:39 AM PDT by Freedom2specul8
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To: ~Kim4VRWC's~; mondonico; nicmarlo; mhking; Lobbyist; Mo1
I wonder if there is an orchestrated conspiratorial effort this morning to avoid associating any of the tragedies with islam/moscow/snipers? Or are they just waiting until later to discuss it?

I knew I wasn't going nuts. I'm not going to post the entire story, but in FNC's early version of it (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,66564,00.html), the exact quote in question was:

Police said that there were up to 50 terrorists in the building, some of whom were armed with automatic weapons. Upon storming the stage, they allowed all members of the audience to make phone calls and proceeded to release about 100 people, mostly children, foreign nationals and Muslim audience members. Russian television confirmed that three German and three British citizens were still among those held.
'Nuff said.

1,125 posted on 10/24/2002 8:15:40 AM PDT by mhking
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To: yukong
Do you think that duck in a noose thingie activated the black muslim cells? Most of the people I've talked to thoughout the night and this morning seem to think so.
1,126 posted on 10/24/2002 8:16:08 AM PDT by Letitring
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To: Mo1
CBS reporting that a "BUSHMASTER" rifle found in car
1,127 posted on 10/24/2002 8:16:13 AM PDT by Robe
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To: yukong
Two questions the media should be posing to law enforcement:

1. What changed overnight so that the two men should not be considered as suspects but only "persons of interest" to an assurance that they have arrested the only suspects?

2. How can you be so sure this quickly that they are not AQ? Are they only AQ if they carry AQ membership cards?
1,128 posted on 10/24/2002 8:16:17 AM PDT by Binghamton_native
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To: mhking
Good work!
1,129 posted on 10/24/2002 8:16:55 AM PDT by mondonico
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To: Lobbyist
I need a stump report this morning. :)Find fragments or not, or do we know?
1,130 posted on 10/24/2002 8:17:22 AM PDT by Letitring
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To: Fred Mertz
There is also a station wagon that has been mentioned, as well. (I am not sure of the make/model)
1,131 posted on 10/24/2002 8:17:32 AM PDT by all4one
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To: yukong; yall
Good mornin' everyone, I can't belivee I overslept and missed the press conference. grrrrrr. I've beem reading and reading trying to catch up but as usual the thread is moving fast.

What is the most surprising news to come from the coverage so far ?

1,132 posted on 10/24/2002 8:17:42 AM PDT by Darlin'
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To: mondonico
Bin Laden Sniper Alert in 50 Cities

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October 21, 2002

Iran Daily

LONDON (NEWS OF THE WORLD) - Fears are growing that not one, but several maniacal marksmen may sweep across the States as intelligence experts studied their strongest clue yet that the killer gunman is linked to Osama bin Laden. A training video and a guidebook written by his terrorist group al-Qaeda bears frightening similarities to the sniper's murderous methods in the Washington region. Up to 50 cities have been alerted that the random killings may be the work of a skilled and highly-organised terrorist group. One intelligence source told the News of the World: "We're hearing that what is currently happening in Washington is just the start of sniper-terrorism." One theory investigators are working on is that terrorists have been told to "go out there and behave like an American psycho". Now that it has worked so well in Washington, the plan is to take sniper-terror to other cities. The FBI has begun questioning al-Qaeda captives in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, to find out if there are terrorist links to the shootings. Cities are already showing signs of the same fear that has paralysed the Washington region—where the sniper has killed nine of the 11 victims he has gunned down. Some Americans believe that those figures, 9/11, have a frightening significance, echoing the date of the World Trade Center attacks and prove that the sniper is a terrorist. Last night's first game in the baseball championship in San Francisco, California, was played under unprecedented security precautions. Armed police swarmed the Giants' home ground, installing their own sniper teams in the roof of the 40,000-seat stadium. In New York and Chicago extra security has been laid on at shopping centres and petrol stations— both favourite haunts of the Washington sniper. A warning has also been sent to all US Senators, telling them that al-Qaeda snipers may target them...on golf courses. At weekends, manyplay golf at exclusive country clubs. But in the al-Qaeda training video now being studied "frame-by-frame" by the CIA, golf courses are identified as ideal areas for an attack. The video was recovered by American Special Forces in August at a remote terrorist training base in Afghanistan among thousands of documents stockpiled by al-Qaeda's military commander, Mohammed Atef, who was killed last November. The terrorist guide being examined by the CIA was found at a house in Manchester by Special Branch detectives in 1998. Entitled Kidnapping And Assassination Using Rifle And Pistols, intelligence sources say it is a written version of the techniques shown in the video. In terrifyingly familiar detail, the video shows: Hooded al-Qaeda terrorists being taught how to use the AK-47 rifle as a sniper weapon—the same gun that has been used by the Washington sniper. Terrorists preparing to drive to sniper attacks in a transit van, similar to the white van seen at attacks in America. An evil al-Qaeda instructor recommending that snipers hit people in gas stations or car parks. He also tells viewers that a concerted yet random sniper campaign would cause panic and terror in a large city and says America would be a particularly soft target because of the number of wide freeways filled with similar vehicles. Last night a CIA source revealed: "This video was brought back to America and stored. But over recent weeks it has been taken out of the vaults and is now being looked at frame-by-frame." Meanwhile, police in Washington are continuing their search for the sniper one of the largest manhunts in history. Tip-off But last night they refused to release the preliminary results of tests on a seized white truck, found on Friday with an empty shell casing in the "cargo section". Speculation was high that they were angry that information about the truck had been "leaked" and could be used to tip off the killer. The police said the truck was still being worked on by forensic and ballistic experts and their work was not expected to be finished until tomorrow at the earliest. Their job was further hampered earlier this week when 37-year-old Matthew Dowdy said he saw the latest shooting outside a DIY store. Dowdy, of Falls Church, Virginia, claimed he saw the gunman holding an AK-47 to his shoulder just 30 yards from where FBI terrorism analyst Linda Franklin, 47, was killed on Monday night. But he has now been arrested, accused of lying. At least seven people were injured yesterday when a car bomb exploded outside a McDonald's restaurant in southwest Moscow. Last night officials were still trying to determine whether the explosion was a terrorist act or the work of Russia's criminal underworld.

1,133 posted on 10/24/2002 8:17:53 AM PDT by yukong
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To: Binghamton_native
How can you be so sure this quickly that they are not AQ? Are they only AQ if they carry AQ membership cards?

Everyone keeps discounting the Al Qaeda connection, but -- call me a tin-foil king if you want -- I need to see more before I rule it out.

1,134 posted on 10/24/2002 8:18:00 AM PDT by mhking
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To: wewillnotfail
John Allen Williams, one of the men arrested in connection with the D.C.-area sniper attacks, has a child and an ex-wife that live in Baton Rouge and was in the area only three months ago, according to a Baton Rouge television station.
Williams is also known by his Muslim name - John Allen Muhammad
Williams' family members in Baton Rouge say he visited their Scotlandville home with teenager Lee Malvo, who is believed to be Williams' stepson and was also arrested in connection with the attacks.
According to Williams' ex-sister-in-law, Williams brainwashed the young boy, making him eat a diet of only crackers and honey.
Family members say Williams wanted to get on the Internet and look for guns he wanted to buy.
1,135 posted on 10/24/2002 8:18:28 AM PDT by lsucat
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To: commish
Too much coffee this morning. It was a 'trailor' like this one..only big enough to carry a car. My apologies for mistakes.
1,136 posted on 10/24/2002 8:18:43 AM PDT by Freedom2specul8
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To: Mo1
You know the media needs to quit.

Earlier that said that President Bush had been informed that the case had been all wrapped up.

Now they have retracted that, LE has not said that. This may not be over.

1,137 posted on 10/24/2002 8:18:48 AM PDT by TexKat
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To: fight_truth_decay
"Sniper training camp denies knowing these alleged killers."

What it appears you can piece together about about Camp Zero is this--mostly from overseas news media. The Brits originally reported that Al Queda not only had training camps in Afghanistan and other Middle East, Far East and Africa environments, but also in the United States, citing Camp Zero. The camp immediately responds by denial.

However what then comes out is that one of these Islam non-profits has leased or rented or temporary use arranged the camp (and maybe an abandoned quarry in Washington state) for what it then claims is a religious study purpose. The whole thing then gets swept under the rug in a story that whatever they were doing has been stopped.

My own reading of it is that in fact, Al Queda has been running domestic training operations in the United States in which the suspect Muhammad was a participant trainee.

Also clearly in the record is that Muhammad has been a "devoted Moslem" and head of a "devoted Moslem family" for at least 17 years. He is also "anti-American"; a pro 9/11 attack sympathiser. The sniper attack is straight out of the Al Queda training manual which we captured in Afghanistan.

It seems to me that on the face of the current record, it is very difficult to sustain the liberal media position that this is not an Islamic attack on America.

At some point, you need to develop a legal basis for the position that the liberals and media that are attempting to obfuscate the Al Queda connection are accessories to a conspiratorial effort to help the enemy avoid responsibility--you charge the talking heads and prosecute them also and impose appropriate penalties if they are convicted.

1,138 posted on 10/24/2002 8:19:18 AM PDT by David
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To: Letitring
I need a stump report this morning. :)

Nah, man, that's SO five minutes ago. Today it's all about footage of the white truck carrying the blue '90 caprice. And more footage. And then some MORE footage...and did we show you that footage of Buckwheat's assasination yet? Here...

1,139 posted on 10/24/2002 8:19:35 AM PDT by Kip Lange
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To: mhking
Thanks for that update
1,140 posted on 10/24/2002 8:19:45 AM PDT by Mo1
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