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Gun Control's Twisted Outcome
Reason Magazine ^ | November 2002 issue, posted 10/21/02 | Joyce Lee Malcolm

Posted on 10/21/2002 5:51:16 PM PDT by xsysmgr

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1 posted on 10/21/2002 5:51:16 PM PDT by xsysmgr
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To: *bang_list
Bang
2 posted on 10/21/2002 5:52:41 PM PDT by Atlas Sneezed
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bump for later
3 posted on 10/21/2002 5:57:52 PM PDT by Drew68
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To: Beelzebubba
excellent article. Needs wide distribution.
4 posted on 10/21/2002 5:58:51 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: xsysmgr
I'll betchya the Aussies are rethinking their "gun control" now.<br.They turned in all of their guns for grinding up and now they're in the sites of Al Qaeda (the other grinder).
5 posted on 10/21/2002 6:00:39 PM PDT by RadicalRik
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To: xsysmgr
In less than a century the once proud and noble England has been reduced to little more than a dangerous, tyrannical, feudalist, third world country. And the bottom is nowhere in sight. All because the people let the socialists set the agenda. Three steps to the destruction of a nation:

1)Ban all civilian ownership of firearms.

2)Make self defense a crime

3)Allow uncontrolled third world immigration

Sound familiar? Its what's in store for the US if the demonRATs have their way.

6 posted on 10/21/2002 6:14:00 PM PDT by 45Auto
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To: spinneyhead
Thought you'd be interested in this. The figures aren't footnoted, but the article is drawn from the author's book and I'd guess the references are there.
7 posted on 10/21/2002 6:14:28 PM PDT by ibbryn
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To: xsysmgr
...the public should be discouraged "from going about with offensive weapons in their pockets; it is the duty of society to protect them."

So, if I go to England and get mugged, can I sue the state because it failed to protect me?

Somehow, I didn't think so.

8 posted on 10/21/2002 6:55:22 PM PDT by 07055
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To: xsysmgr
Joyce Lee Malcolm, a professor of history at Bentley College and a senior adviser to the MIT Security Studies Program, is the author of Guns and Violence: The English Experience, published in May by Harvard University Press.

Huh. I'm astonished. For those who may not know, the tiny humanities division of the faculty at MIT is very liberal and politically correct, not unlike the situation at Stanford.

But here's a professor at Bentley College (Waltham, Massachusetts) and adviser at MIT who is publishing this kind of anti-gun-control stuff in a book published by HARVARD UNIVERSITY PRESS.

Maybe this is just a one-time exception, but it's amazing and heartening to see that Harvard would touch such a book in these days of lockstep political correctness.

9 posted on 10/21/2002 6:57:22 PM PDT by Cicero
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To: xsysmgr
He sneaked downstairs with a shotgun and shot at the intruders. Martin received life in prison for killing one burglar, 10 years for wounding the second, and a year for having an unregistered shotgun. The wounded burglar, having served 18 months of a three-year sentence, is now free and has been granted £5,000 of legal assistance to sue Martin.

Bump for the 3 "S's"...
1)Shoot...
2)Shovel...
3)Shut Up!

10 posted on 10/21/2002 7:06:52 PM PDT by Itzlzha
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To: Mercuria
Bump for you if you're still out there!
11 posted on 10/22/2002 3:51:44 AM PDT by Schnucki
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To: xsysmgr; All
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/711949/posts
Newsmax | July 7, 2002 | Dr. Michael S. Brown
"an interesting pattern in how many people successfully defend themselves with tiny weapons, like .22, .25 and .32 caliber handguns that are often derided by the anti-gun lobby as "junk guns" and "Saturday night specials." "
 

-Empty-Barrel Gun Policies-A legacy of nonsense from Clinton, Blair, and the Left--

-A Problem With Guns (Long... but SOOOO good)--

Shooting More Holes in Gun Control

Gun Control Down Under

HCI Aussie Style (read it and weep-or laugh)

The Great Australian Gun Law CON!

British Gun Crime Soars

Gun Crimes Surge in London

Canadian Gun Control Has Little Impact on Crime (Home Gun Confiscation/Resisters)


Israel is Arming Its Civilians - Why Aren't We?
... and cyberjournalist. His latest book is The Seven Myths of Gun Control. Topics: News/Current
Events Keywords: GUN CONTROL, ISRAEL, SECOND AMENDMENT, TERRORISM ...
beta.freerepublic.com/focus/news/646679/posts - 39k - Cached

Through the Looking Glass and Back Again - From Anti-gunner to Firearms Instructor in Four Months


-Swiss Gun Laws- and some rebuttal to HCI "spin"--


12 posted on 10/22/2002 4:01:57 AM PDT by backhoe
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To: xsysmgr
My recommendation to the English citizens is to rise an annihilate this idiocy from your magnificent island sooner rather than later.
14 posted on 10/27/2002 4:59:59 AM PST by Caipirabob
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To: Yakboy
My recommendation to the English citizens is to rise an annihilate this idiocy from your magnificent island sooner rather than later.

No, no, no... They should encourage their "betters" to write even more gun laws! They shouldn't stop until Parliament is debating whether to ban fresh fruit or pointed sticks. When that happens, and the UK has become a crime-ridden hellhole, it will stand as a reminder to the rest of the world as to why the crazy Americans with their 2nd Amendment were right all along!

15 posted on 10/27/2002 5:05:28 AM PST by Redcloak
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To: 45Auto
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16 posted on 10/27/2002 5:20:13 AM PST by Dick Bachert
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To: spinneyhead
And the American murder rate halving in the nineties? In that time you've had the assault weapons ban and the Brady Law ... Perhaps gun laws do work after all.

Prior to the "assault weapons" ban, how many "assault weapons" had been used in violent crimes? Since the "assault weapons" ban, how many have been used?

Prior to the Brady Law, how many weapons were legally purchased on the day the weapon was used to commit a crime? Since the passage of the Brady Law, how many people have been injured or killed while waiting for their purchase to be approved?

In the 1990s, how many firearms made their way into the hands of private citizens? How many citizens are now legally carrying firearms on their person? What effect does the liberalization of concealed carry laws have on the crime rate?

Answer these questions, and you will know whether gun control works.

17 posted on 10/27/2002 6:25:58 AM PST by SWake
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To: spinneyhead
And the American murder rate halving in the nineties? In that time you've had the assault weapons ban and the Brady Law ( http://www.bradycampaign.org/facts/gunlaws/index.asp ). Perhaps gun laws do work after all.
The brady law is a 3 day waiting period on hanguns ,one day on long guns. The assault weapon ban: A truly worthless law. The only thing banned was the manufacture of new weapons with the following characteristics.
A rifle with a pistol grip
bayonet lug
the ability to accept "high capacity" magazines
flash suppresor.
collapsable stock

I bought this "assualt weapon" on October 25 2002. I broke no laws in purchasing it. Notice all the "banned" characteristics? Crime is down cuz the criminals are in jail. And the economy was doing well. NOT because of ANY law.
18 posted on 10/27/2002 7:07:06 AM PST by Brasky
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To: xsysmgr

But modern English governments have put public order ahead of the individual’s right to personal safety.

There's a book that hits the mark: "Dial 911 and Die".

The "public order" professed by the gun-control lobby and politicians and bureaucrats that support it looks more like chaos to me. Criminals that don't abide the law in the first place have no problem getting guns while honest citizens are forced to traverse red-tape laws to buy a gun to be used in honest self-defense against dishonest criminals. That chaos is what politicians, bureaucrats and the gun-control lobby consider the proper "public order" -- criminals having the upper-hand against their victims.

19 posted on 10/27/2002 7:40:29 AM PST by Zon
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