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Liking yourself is good - right? Importance of self-esteem an idea whose time has past
National Post ^ | October 15, 2002 | Robert Fulford

Posted on 10/17/2002 5:18:29 PM PDT by Ragtime Cowgirl

Liking yourself is good - right?
Importance of self-esteem an idea whose time has past
 
Robert Fulford
National Post

Connoisseurs of human foolishness will always cherish that giddy moment in 1987 when the California legislature, convinced it had found the key to understanding human failure, set up the Task Force to Promote Self-Esteem and Personal and Social Responsibility. The assemblyman who promoted this idea, John Vasconcellos, believed that raising the self-image of the citizens would cure drug addiction, crime and many other social ills. This project, Vasconcellos argued, was as important as unlocking the secrets of the atom.

The task force's supporters considered it the takeoff point for the self-esteem movement, but it may instead have been the beginning of the end. This much-publicized example of California eccentricity made people reconsider a belief that had taken a firm grip on the popular imagination years before: That people who hold themselves in high regard will act well and those who don't will act badly.

That sounds like a reasonable notion, and millions still believe it, but it won't stand up under serious thought and it crumples under research. It now appears that those who peddle the promise of self-esteem, including the authors of some 3,000 self-help books, are the modern equivalents of 19th-century snake-oil salesmen. It also appears that high self-esteem can often be harmful rather than beneficial.

The term self-esteem goes back at least to the 17th century. Milton in Paradise Lost suggested that sometimes nothing profits us more than well-grounded self-esteem. In 1890 William James, in Principles of Psychology, outlined a relationship between self-esteem and accomplishment.

The idea as we know it began flowering about half a century ago. The ground was prepared by The Power of Positive Thinking (1952), in which Norman Vincent Peale claimed happiness and material success result from personal optimism and self-regard. Around the same time, clinical studies in psychology showed connections between high self-esteem and success in school, business, marriage and sex.

Low self-esteem, on the other hand, showed up frequently alongside teenage pregnancy, drug-taking, wife-beating and homicide. In the 1960s two books by psychiatrists, Morris Rosenberg's Society and the Adolescent Self-Image (1965) and Stanley Coopersmith's The Antecedents of Self-Esteem (1967), claimed that the right kind of parental attention produces high self-esteem, therefore success, in children.

Armies of psychotherapists leapt on that idea, and soon intellectual garbage began piling up around it in great quantities. In 1969, Nathaniel Branden, a psychologist from Toronto who was once the lover and acolyte of Ayn Rand, moved over to this burgeoning field with The Psychology of Self Esteem, declaring self-esteem "the single most significant key to behaviour." In 1996 Steven Ward wrote in the Canadian Journal of Sociology: "What started as a fragile statement made by William James had by the early 1970s expanded into an encompassing and heterogeneous academic network."

Unfortunately for all those who committed their careers to promulgating this idea, most of what they wrote turns out to be worthless. Low self-esteem often accompanies serious social deviance, but there's no evidence to show that the first causes the second. An often repeated belief of Oprah Winfrey, that poor self-esteem is "the root of all the problems in the world" remains entirely unproven. It's just something that got drummed into her head.

In 1990 California's task force turned in its report, Toward A State Of Esteem, predictably advising school teachers to make students feel better about themselves. More books appeared. Gloria Steinem, a bit late, contributed Revolution From Within: A Book of Self-Esteem in 1992. (It turned out that she too suffered from low self-esteem, despite her power, brains and looks. Who knew?)

The task force became a joke (Doonesbury made great fun of it) but the first serious criticism didn't appear until 1996. Three researchers, reporting in Psychology Review on a survey of studies in psychology and criminology, broke the bad news: aggressive people tend to think highly of themselves. Violent and hostile people -- neo-Nazis, wife-beaters, members of the Ku Klux Klan, etc. -- "consistently express favourable views of themselves."

Last year Nicholas Emler, a social psychologist at the London School of Economics, said a close study of the research shows no evidence that low self-esteem leads to delinquency, violence, drug use, alcohol abuse, educational under-attainment or racism. As for high self-esteem, that's a real problem. High scorers on self-esteem questionnaires are often racists and often engage in antisocial activities, such as drunk driving. In one study, conducted in Massachusetts and California, researchers gave standardized self-esteem tests to men serving time for murder, rape, assault or armed robbery. They discovered that the self-esteem of these criminals wasn't notably different from five other samples of men the same age: Vietnam veterans, problem drinkers, dentists, college students and recreational dart throwers.

An article by Jennifer Crocker of the University of Michigan, "The costs of seeking self-esteem," in the current issue of the Journal of Social Issues, describes the two most disastrous effects that flow from "the vicious and costly cycle of seeking self-esteem." First, people pursuing self-esteem tend to avoid acknowledging their errors. They attribute failure to external causes and can't learn from mistakes. Because they are committed to a high opinion of themselves, they react to criticism by protecting their self-esteem rather than improving their work. Second, the pursuit of self-esteem makes it hard to get along with others. In hundreds of studies, people whose self-esteem is threatened respond with avoidance, distancing, blame, excuses, anger, antagonism, and aggression -- each of them a way of undermining love or friendship. "The degree of self-focus required by the pursuit of self-esteem," Crocker argues, "is incompatible with awareness and responsiveness to others' needs." So the quest for self-esteem stands in the way of fulfilling two essential human needs, to be competent and to form relationships.

Nicholas Emler says that in England violent criminals and racists have been put through every test the profession has developed. The results are always the same. The men don't lack self-esteem. They like themselves. "These men," Emler has decided, are racist or violent "because they don't feel bad enough about themselves."

There is nothing more powerful than an idea whose time has come, says the old cliché, and we might add that there's nothing more pathetic, and nothing more embarrassing, than an idea whose time has come and gone.

robert.fulford@utoronto.ca



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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
Gang members strut self-esteem while young chess players wonder if they fit in...
21 posted on 10/17/2002 8:26:20 PM PDT by GOPJ
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To: sinkspur
"Father,I have sinned against heaven and before you; I am no longer worthy to be called your son; treat me as one of your hired servants."

This statement was not designed to enhance self esteem, but it was the most powerful and true statement the son could have said about himself.

Loving thy neighbor is just like that sometimes.
22 posted on 10/17/2002 8:49:51 PM PDT by McB.
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
[ "Connoisseurs of human foolishness" ]

I know I always have been.....
But this guy is'nt a George Carlin more of an AL Gore.

23 posted on 10/17/2002 8:54:11 PM PDT by hosepipe
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To: sinkspur
I believe it's important to break apart two very different aspects when we talk about self-esteem. The first is being self-focused. The second is whether we feel good or bad about who we are. If the first is not an issue, than the second won't matter. The Bible does talk about forgetting oneself, not about loving oneself. "Those who love their life will lose it, those who lose their lives for my (Jesus') sake will find it."

Bill Clinton is exhibit A of the first generation to grow up with self-esteem crap, the boomers. I am from the next generation, and we have seen first hand how self-absorbed people become when they buy into this pop psychology.
24 posted on 10/17/2002 8:56:41 PM PDT by mongrel
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
It seems to be a Skinner type of approach to the problem of low "self-esteem", a form of "putting the cart before the horse." That sort of approach was discredited in my Psychology 101 text from the 1970's.

As a side note, I've often thought the similarity in pronunciation between "esteem" and "steam" was psycho-lingistically unfortunate.
25 posted on 10/17/2002 9:06:43 PM PDT by apochromat
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To: sinkspur
Sink, you have it exactly right. Most of those that do not agree with you here are confusing the false self esteem of narcissistic personality disorder with true self esteem (as you have properly described.) The author of the article mentions Nathaniel Branden, but goes on to prove that he hasn't understood his books. Is anyone reading this thread familiar with Branden's description of self esteem?
And is anyone knowledgable about narcissistic personality disorder? It is true that the term has been hijacked by politicians and "educators" to further their collectivist agendas, but the psychology of low self esteem is only recently being understood. I would recommend a book by Alice Miller entitled "Prisoners of Childhood: The Drama of the Gifted Child and the Search for the True Self."
26 posted on 10/17/2002 9:07:44 PM PDT by Misterioso
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To: sinkspur
I agree.
27 posted on 10/17/2002 9:14:17 PM PDT by weikel
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
Liberals are continually confusing "cause" and "effect".

Self-esteem arises from being consistent with our own internal value system. It is the effect, not the cause.

The societal benefit comes both from people being consistent with their value systems and from having a value system which promotes health. Falsely encouraging undeserved feelings of self-esteem by our children prevents them from being able to form a healthy value system.

28 posted on 10/17/2002 9:15:14 PM PDT by William Tell
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To: Misterioso
I remember Narcissus. He committed suicide. The Greeks had the Apollonian advice: know yourself. It meant, know your limitations. Knowledge of the self could only make sense in the context of knowledge of another. OTH, if you wanted esteem to mean confidence, you had to take up the heroic characters of Ajax, or Oedipus. Their confidence was a spectacle.
29 posted on 10/17/2002 9:16:13 PM PDT by cornelis
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To: McB.
Interesting.
30 posted on 10/17/2002 9:17:42 PM PDT by cornelis
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To: sinkspur
because he knows he can

Ghost of Oedipus.

31 posted on 10/17/2002 9:19:19 PM PDT by cornelis
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
Liking yourself is good - right? Importance of self-esteem an idea whose time has past

Apparently, so is the importance of spelling.
32 posted on 10/17/2002 9:19:38 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
I agree. I wonder if sinkspur was just lashing out at the idea that this has to be *news* to some people!
33 posted on 10/17/2002 9:19:45 PM PDT by Terriergal
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
Instead of calling it "genuine self-esteem", lets bury S-E forever and just call it self-respect.
34 posted on 10/17/2002 9:22:39 PM PDT by Maximum Leader
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
Most people I've met who have a lot of "self esteem" need a tall glass of shut the f*ck up.
35 posted on 10/17/2002 9:26:00 PM PDT by Hemlock
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To: cornelis
Ghost of Oedipus.

Are you a freshman English major?

Oedipus was obsessed, and you're obsessed with Oedipus.

36 posted on 10/17/2002 9:27:33 PM PDT by sinkspur
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To: sinkspur
These people are, by definition, liars and self-haters

But I think what noticing here and talking around is the facade of self esteem vs. the true person underneath... While you are talking about the true person underneath, who lives in self-loathing and compensates with an outward self esteem, liberals who taught this "self esteem" crap tried to teach just the facade, thinking it would give rise to *real* self-esteem. You cannot 'teach' true self esteem (I think it is better termed 'healthy self image') except by a long term relationship with someone who has healthy self-image. To try and teach it in school is ridiculous. This is a flower that grows in the soil, water, and fertilizer of virtue and character and morality, and *NOT* *EVER* without those things. You *can* teach some examples of character and morality (e.g. the Book of Virtues). But to teach "self esteem" to someone who doesn't have the proper growth medium of virtue, is an illusion, much like a plastic plant in an empty pot.

37 posted on 10/17/2002 9:30:48 PM PDT by Terriergal
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To: sinkspur
invidiam fortunam odit
38 posted on 10/17/2002 9:32:49 PM PDT by cornelis
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
Self Esteem as a concept was blown away in a recent article the New York Times, of all places. This article (lead 2 paragraphs below) actually said that high self esteem was more likely to be found in true sociopaths, bigots, bullies, etc. than in the effective, well adjusted member of society.



N.Y. Times Science section Oct. 1, 2002 ---
Deflating Self-Esteem's Role in Society's Ills

By ERICA GOODE (NYT) Late Edition - Final, Section F, Page 1, Column 1

" - Low self-esteem is to blame for a host of social ills, from poor academic performance and marital discord to violent crime and drug abuse.

Or so goes the gospel, as written over the last several decades by social scientists, self-help book authors and the California Task Force to Promote Self-Esteem and Personal and Social Responsibility, a panel created in 1986 by the California Legislature to conduct a three-year study of the topic. "

Goes on to de-bunk the whole idea of self esteem as a developmental concept.
39 posted on 10/17/2002 9:39:02 PM PDT by edwin hubble
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
I've always thought "low self-esteem" is in reality shyness. I have been a very shy person since I was a baby. I think it is simply a personality trait. However, I think the real danger comes from people who have TOO MUCH self-esteem. In other words, they don't give a damn how other people feel or think because they think that they are the only one who matters. So they simply do what makes them feel good no matter who gets hurt.
40 posted on 10/17/2002 9:41:21 PM PDT by DBtoo
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