I THINK THE SNIPERS ARE AL QAEDA

Various Cable Networks ^ | 11 October 2002 | Myself

[LSUfan]

I'm watching this sniper coverage on the cable networks and everyone is so sure that this is a nut of some sort: a gun nut, a military nut, a serial killer, etc.

But we have evidence to indicate that there is more than one. Two nuts? The President of the Marine Scout Sniper Assoc was just on MSNBC and said that he is sure that the shooter isn't alone because he doubts that anyone could stalk, lay-up, take the shot, egress and just drive off in his minivan.

So now they have all the wonderful psychological profilers on...including some 300 lb private detective...and they are all talking about this like these guys are deranged or disturbed. They all refer to "spree" killers and "serial" killers.

Excuse me, but I'd like to see the list of serial killing TEAMS in American history! And I'd like to learn more about the spree killers who take 10 shots, get 10 kills, including one within 50 yards of a state trooper in plain sight and then vanish without a trace.

These guys have training, motivation, and resources and they are operating as a team. The fact that they shot with the cop right there tells me they were totally confident. I believe they plan these like operations, script them, rehearse them, conduct recons and then execute them LIKE OPERATIONS.

Who does that sound like to you?

Why isn't the media even thinking about the Islamic terrorism angle?

Also: this sniper was taking a big chance with daylight attacks in an urban environment, including one with a cop in plain sight. That (to me) implies that he has area security and avenues of egress and methods of egress covered. That's a lot easier to do in a daylight urban scenario if you have a team, as opposed to a lone gunman.

The fact that these attacks occurred just as the tanker was blown up in Yemen also makes me suspicious. Not to mention the 1 year anniversary of Enduring Freedom.

Just talked to a close friend who is with a DC think tank and is also a retired Col. of Marines. He is tuned in to law enforcement in the DC area as well as he is also a director of a company that sells computer equipment designed for tactical and security use. He has personal and professional contacts with law enforcement in the DC area. Also, his wife was two blocks away from one of the shootings when it happened, and in fact when he heard that a woman in her 30s had been killed in that particular spot while vacuuming her vehicle, he was extremely worried, because that fit her description. He couldn't reach her by phone for a good 15 minutes.

In general: it should be remembered that the month of October was the month in which Sheikh Omar Abdel al-Rahman, OBL's favorite mullah, and a top OBL lieutenant, Ayman al-Zawahiri, were convicted in connection with the 1993 World Trade Center bombing. Also, October was the month in which we started our assault on the Taliban and al Qaeda in Afghanistan.

These aren't some bad militia boys who got into some bad moonshine...these guys aren't shooting up the countryside. They're likely conducting recon, setting up their shots and bugging out to live to do it again. My friend tells me that terrorism is definitely on everyone's lips and minds and that the Feds have involved in this out the ying yang from the get go...BATF, FBI...even Secret Service because of the proximity to DC.

My buddy points out that Al Qaeda said specifically that it would target schools, so this might be the start of something.

GET THIS:

Two of the shots were HEAD SHOTS at a moving target at 150 meters. While a tourso shot at 150 meters is not a terribly hard shot for someone with training, a HEAD SHOT at 150 meters on a moving target would be a virtually impossible shot for a nut with no training. Next time you go to the gun show, take a look at the guy to your left and the guy to your right. Chances are, unless they grew up hunting or were in the military, you'd be pretty safe if they took a shot at you at 150yds while you were moving. Hint: Marines qualify out to the 500 yard line with the M16A2. That is what training will do. I qualified expert and am still an avid shooter today. I shoot a heavy barrel AR15A2 in 5.56mm and a National Match M1A in 7.62 NATO. I am NOT at all confident that I could get a head shot on a moving target at 150 meters. In fact...I would not even try. I would shoot center of mass. What all this indicates is a very highly trained shooter with good gear and most likely a spotter.

And GET THIS as well:

My buddy tells me that the FBI al Qaeda profilers have been predicting some sort of random attack as a contrast to 9-11. Something that sends the message: "no one anywhere is safe from us." al Qaeda has specifically said that they have the right to kill hundreds of thousands of "American children." This fits in with the critique of the al Qaeda training video that came out not long ago.

Here is another coincidence (?): In his Oct 4th column, Bill Gertz of the Washington Times said: "U.S. intelligence agencies received reports this week indicating Islamic terrorists have targeted American schools for attack, intelligence officials said. The reports indicate that the targeting includes plans to attack all levels of educational institutions in the United States, ranging from elementary schools to colleges and universities, said officials familiar with the reports." One of the victims was a 13 year old schoolboy.

Now REALLY GET THIS:

In the public release, law enforecemnt has not mentioned any race or ethnicity of the perps. But the unclassified bulletin that is being circulated by the Feds describes says that one of the local deputies got a description of two "Hispanics" but the feds think the guy just profiled them as Hispanics from law enforcement experience and that the two could easily be Middle Eastern. My buddy did not know if the deputy saw the perps himself or took a description from witnesses. The original vehicle was described as a white delivery van and today the suspect vehicle was a white Chevy Astro Van (but if these guys are pros like everyone thinks, neither vehicle will be showing up again).

A few more interesting insights from my friend:

The killer (or killers) must have felt secure in his surroundings. Most of the killings happened on or near busy main avenues during rush hour.

To say nothing of the fact that the region is crawling with law enforcement of every kind, being so close to the nation's capital.

Obviously it's someone who has murdered before or has been trained and conditioned to kill people. My buddy doubts many first-time killers, to say nothing of social outcasts or sickos, would have the nerve to kill with a single shot, then drive to another location within a half-hour, then kill again with another single shot.

Notably, all the areas of the killings are highly integrated racially. Had the killings been two miles west or south, they would have been in practically all-white or all-black neighborhoods, respectively, so a non-white/non-black killer (i.e., Middle Eastern) would not have been noticed in the areas in question.

Finally, the coincidental timing of these two incidents is another reason to suspect al Qaeda terrorism. Blow up a ship at the same time they're plinking away at innocent civilians...

If they haven't already done so, the cops and Feds need to bring in some guys from the Scout-Sniper School in Quantico to analyze this thing. Most law enforcement snipers don't think like the guys who did these horrible acts. And street cops certainly do not. The best way to get a sniper is with another sniper. The Marine snipers are the best in the world.

[blondee123]

My thinking is, they HAVE thought of this, but to SAY it would panic all of the country. I have thought from the beginning that it is terrorists, they have, like others said, many ways in store for us, to terrorize us. This is just one of them.

[swarthyguy]

I've not found it on Amazon either. I'll find it at the library and pong you on the exact title, author and ISBN number.

[Mitchell]

"I am God" could easily be intended to mean, metaphorically, "I am the instrument of God" (whether an Islamist or not).

On the other hand, look at the posts made by somebody in what appears to be a message board about an on-line role-playing game called the Romance of the Three Kingdoms. He has used two different signatures in his posts on that board:

Who am I? Who am I? I, am the incarnation of Death. I am your executioner. I am your murderor. I am your destroyer. I AM GOD.

"Never run from a sniper, you will only die tired...." Emperor Sima Kai of the Han Kingdom. "I am the God of Death"

[You'll need to click on the various posts at the link above to see these quotes, but they appear repeatedly.]

I'm not making any accusations about this particular person. It's spooky, but there are probably a lot of people with these sorts of emotions, especially in role-playing games, most of whom never snap in real life. All I'm saying is that it could easily be somebody with no Islamic associations at all.

[Freedom2specul8]

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[Freedom2specul8]

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[oyez]

"Alcohol, Tabacco and Firearms.(heh-heh-heh)"

[swarthyguy]

Keep laughing, those stupid f***s took this country DOWN last year. If that's stupid, then i hate to think of smart jihadis.

[Cold Heat]

Definately a terrorist. Not sure of the flavor yet.

[aristeides]

If the snipers are Moslems, and they threaten the economy, doesn't protecting the economy entail letting people know that the snipers are Moslems? Why should our government think protecting local Moslems is more important than protecting the economy?

[ganesha]

There is a "false flag" theory that Saddam Hussein uses Muslim religious fanatics to carry out acts of terrorism so that Iraq will not be directly blamed. It should not be assumed that every attack against Americans is Al Quaeda. A couple of Republican Guard snipers could have been infiltrated. The primary issue in the news right now is whether or not we should go to war with Iraq. Saddam could be sending us a message that we are vulnerable, but he might not want that message directly traced to him. The same might also apply to the attack on the French oil tanker.

[Phyto Chems]

Thanks for the post, sure make sense to me.

[RandallFlagg]

--"The longer this goes on, the more likely it is an enemy action or a provocative action rather than a lone nut or two. If it also starts up in other cities, then there won't be much doubt."--

IMHO, if it starts up in other cities, we need to excersise our 2nd amendment right REGARDLESS of local law. Too bad the only ones allowed to do this now are in the state of Vermont. We need Vermont's law expanded nationwide.

[tm22721]

With an inexhaustible reserve of Al Qaeda volunteers, this shooting spree could continue for years, with occasional nabs of one or two of them but the rest of the sleeper cells safe and escalating the terror.

DC could move to martial law and total shutdown of business and schools before long.

There is an upside - the LEOs and media will start profiling and suppress all liberal PC crap.

In fact it could set back PC and multiculturalism by decades.

BUMP

[Joe Brower]

Please, help yourself. "Bleeding hearts of America, you let this happen" does hit the nail squarely on the head.

[alisasny]

Buono and Bianchi, the Hillside Stranglers. Leonard Lake and Charles Ng. Henry Lee Lucas and Ottis Toole

Of these pairs, what were the motives. I know Lucas and Toole were pedophiles....Toole is the number one suspect in the death of Adam Walsh if I recall correctly but later recanted his confession.

[irish_lad]

I understand your point, the guys who did pull-off the 9-11 tragedies were smart, no question. My point was that I don't think that with shooting 10 people, a terrorist's MO is to evade capture. Their TYPICAL MO is to go out with a "blaze of glory." Saying that, I could be wrong.

[muggs]

bump

[Ben Bolt]

A sniper is a diciplined mathematician . Someone often stalks an equally equipt foe . The main difference I see is the mindset and the mission . The true sniper is a team member in a bigger picture , as oppossed to this / these folks who are simply self serving mass murders .

Sorry for replying so late . However this gets wrapped up it will be interesting to note .