Posted on 10/11/2002 1:40:39 PM PDT by LSUfan
I'm watching this sniper coverage on the cable networks and everyone is so sure that this is a nut of some sort: a gun nut, a military nut, a serial killer, etc.
But we have evidence to indicate that there is more than one. Two nuts? The President of the Marine Scout Sniper Assoc was just on MSNBC and said that he is sure that the shooter isn't alone because he doubts that anyone could stalk, lay-up, take the shot, egress and just drive off in his minivan.
So now they have all the wonderful psychological profilers on...including some 300 lb private detective...and they are all talking about this like these guys are deranged or disturbed. They all refer to "spree" killers and "serial" killers.
Excuse me, but I'd like to see the list of serial killing TEAMS in American history! And I'd like to learn more about the spree killers who take 10 shots, get 10 kills, including one within 50 yards of a state trooper in plain sight and then vanish without a trace.
These guys have training, motivation, and resources and they are operating as a team. The fact that they shot with the cop right there tells me they were totally confident. I believe they plan these like operations, script them, rehearse them, conduct recons and then execute them LIKE OPERATIONS.
Who does that sound like to you?
Why isn't the media even thinking about the Islamic terrorism angle?
Also: this sniper was taking a big chance with daylight attacks in an urban environment, including one with a cop in plain sight. That (to me) implies that he has area security and avenues of egress and methods of egress covered. That's a lot easier to do in a daylight urban scenario if you have a team, as opposed to a lone gunman.
The fact that these attacks occurred just as the tanker was blown up in Yemen also makes me suspicious. Not to mention the 1 year anniversary of Enduring Freedom.
Just talked to a close friend who is with a DC think tank and is also a retired Col. of Marines. He is tuned in to law enforcement in the DC area as well as he is also a director of a company that sells computer equipment designed for tactical and security use. He has personal and professional contacts with law enforcement in the DC area. Also, his wife was two blocks away from one of the shootings when it happened, and in fact when he heard that a woman in her 30s had been killed in that particular spot while vacuuming her vehicle, he was extremely worried, because that fit her description. He couldn't reach her by phone for a good 15 minutes.
In general: it should be remembered that the month of October was the month in which Sheikh Omar Abdel al-Rahman, OBL's favorite mullah, and a top OBL lieutenant, Ayman al-Zawahiri, were convicted in connection with the 1993 World Trade Center bombing. Also, October was the month in which we started our assault on the Taliban and al Qaeda in Afghanistan.
These aren't some bad militia boys who got into some bad moonshine...these guys aren't shooting up the countryside. They're likely conducting recon, setting up their shots and bugging out to live to do it again. My friend tells me that terrorism is definitely on everyone's lips and minds and that the Feds have involved in this out the ying yang from the get go...BATF, FBI...even Secret Service because of the proximity to DC.
My buddy points out that Al Qaeda said specifically that it would target schools, so this might be the start of something.
GET THIS:
Two of the shots were HEAD SHOTS at a moving target at 150 meters. While a tourso shot at 150 meters is not a terribly hard shot for someone with training, a HEAD SHOT at 150 meters on a moving target would be a virtually impossible shot for a nut with no training. Next time you go to the gun show, take a look at the guy to your left and the guy to your right. Chances are, unless they grew up hunting or were in the military, you'd be pretty safe if they took a shot at you at 150yds while you were moving. Hint: Marines qualify out to the 500 yard line with the M16A2. That is what training will do. I qualified expert and am still an avid shooter today. I shoot a heavy barrel AR15A2 in 5.56mm and a National Match M1A in 7.62 NATO. I am NOT at all confident that I could get a head shot on a moving target at 150 meters. In fact...I would not even try. I would shoot center of mass. What all this indicates is a very highly trained shooter with good gear and most likely a spotter.
And GET THIS as well:
My buddy tells me that the FBI al Qaeda profilers have been predicting some sort of random attack as a contrast to 9-11. Something that sends the message: "no one anywhere is safe from us." al Qaeda has specifically said that they have the right to kill hundreds of thousands of "American children." This fits in with the critique of the al Qaeda training video that came out not long ago.
Here is another coincidence (?): In his Oct 4th column, Bill Gertz of the Washington Times said: "U.S. intelligence agencies received reports this week indicating Islamic terrorists have targeted American schools for attack, intelligence officials said. The reports indicate that the targeting includes plans to attack all levels of educational institutions in the United States, ranging from elementary schools to colleges and universities, said officials familiar with the reports." One of the victims was a 13 year old schoolboy.
Now REALLY GET THIS:
In the public release, law enforecemnt has not mentioned any race or ethnicity of the perps. But the unclassified bulletin that is being circulated by the Feds describes says that one of the local deputies got a description of two "Hispanics" but the feds think the guy just profiled them as Hispanics from law enforcement experience and that the two could easily be Middle Eastern. My buddy did not know if the deputy saw the perps himself or took a description from witnesses. The original vehicle was described as a white delivery van and today the suspect vehicle was a white Chevy Astro Van (but if these guys are pros like everyone thinks, neither vehicle will be showing up again).
A few more interesting insights from my friend:
The killer (or killers) must have felt secure in his surroundings. Most of the killings happened on or near busy main avenues during rush hour.
To say nothing of the fact that the region is crawling with law enforcement of every kind, being so close to the nation's capital.
Obviously it's someone who has murdered before or has been trained and conditioned to kill people. My buddy doubts many first-time killers, to say nothing of social outcasts or sickos, would have the nerve to kill with a single shot, then drive to another location within a half-hour, then kill again with another single shot.
Notably, all the areas of the killings are highly integrated racially. Had the killings been two miles west or south, they would have been in practically all-white or all-black neighborhoods, respectively, so a non-white/non-black killer (i.e., Middle Eastern) would not have been noticed in the areas in question.
Finally, the coincidental timing of these two incidents is another reason to suspect al Qaeda terrorism. Blow up a ship at the same time they're plinking away at innocent civilians...
If they haven't already done so, the cops and Feds need to bring in some guys from the Scout-Sniper School in Quantico to analyze this thing. Most law enforcement snipers don't think like the guys who did these horrible acts. And street cops certainly do not. The best way to get a sniper is with another sniper. The Marine snipers are the best in the world.
Here's one: Charlie Starkweather & Caril Ann Fugate, who killed a total of 11 people in the 1950s. The movie "Badlands" was based on their story.
Also, there was Leonard Lake and Charles Ng in California in the 1980s.
I do have to wonder why they are picking off people at gas stations though. You'd think foreign terrorists would be choosing more strategically important targets. And why only the Beltway area?
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Just speculating, mind you.
Someone has mentioned that the van could be a decoy, but I'd like to elaborate on that and suggest the white van as an unwitting decoy.
Bear with me. This morning, when I heard the news about a "white van" being seen again, I was driving, stopped at a busy intersection. From my field of view, I counted 6 white vans. Then one drove by with racked ladders. White vans are all over the place. What I'm thinking is this: The shooter(s) sets up at a target and waits until a white van shows up or drives by. That's the green light to hit a target. Unless the van is very very close, he probably wouldn't realize what had just happened, so he just keeps going. He's 3 or 4 miles away before he hears the news or any sirens, and it just doesn't even occur to the driver that HE is driving the white van. Meantime, the whole world is ignoring other vehicles, because they aren't white vans. It might be worth going back to the original tips of "white vans" to see if they were planted as a misdirection strategy.
Notice that the van description seems to vary. The "with ladders" didn't show up until today, though it seems like something everyone would have noticed before
He threw it on the ground.
If the sniper or snipers are associated with Al Queda, then it's just a matter of time before they start taking out truck divers on I-95. There's a lot of chemicals being hauled along that route.
Txbubba?? You ain't of that blam! blam! fame? if you are then you know what I mean - if not, forget about it.
If the sniper or snipers are associated with Al Queda, then it's just a matter of time before they start taking out truck divers on I-95. There's a lot of chemicals being hauled along that route.
Txbubba?? You ain't of that blam! blam! fame? if you are then you know what I mean - if not, forget about it.
This would make a great poster for our Troop rallys. Do you mind if I steal it? I think it would be fantastic to hold that one up to the bleeding hearts across the street.
Well I'll toss in my speculation
Gas stations symbolise oil. I believe these killings started on the the same date as the conviction of the blind cleric who was in charge of the World Trade Center bombing. I think the only people who don't know this is terrorism are the ones who are in charge of protecting us from it.
How do you fire out of the windowless part of a van?
Well, maybe the solution is... he isn't inside, and that's why they are so certain they won't be caught.
I say "they", because the team would require a driver and possibly lookout/spotter with communication. With a bit of sheetmetal work and some paint, I'd bet one could make a prone sniper's nest under the floor and out of sight in a van or small truck. Perhaps the guy is shooting from where the tailpipe hole is located? He would be completely hidden and enclosed as he peers out his hole at practically street level. He couldn't take really close shots, but where the parallax angle is better, say over 300 feet, he could easily have enough angle to hit a standing person at street level if his vehicle was not moving.
If that's the case, even somebody immediately stopping the van would find a couple of unarmed guys in a completely "empty" van. The shooter would be below the floorboards under a false fairing of some sort. It would be an almost invisible hide, and unlikely to be uncovered in all but the most invasive search. Even stopping the vehicle on I-95 (or any road) and looking inside wouldn't do any good. Neither would looking at the undercarriage. The shooter could be sandwiched between.
Who knows?
But one thing is for sure,... the shooter is hiding in plain sight, is in no hurry for a getaway to hide either the shooter or weapon, makes 'invisible' shots and is never seen (even with a state trooper 50 yards away), there is no sign of a weapon or suspect, and he shoots at leisure.
The exception is the school, but that seemed pretty isolated in location and perhaps was done to plant a false evidence trail and MO to dilute the investigation to nutballs as well as AQs?
Gas stations, parking lots and street corners are easy targets. They are right near where there are lots of vehicles moving and stopping, including his.
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