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Forrester Case Still Live in the Supreme Court
Special to Free Republic ^ | 11 October 2002 | John Armor (Congressman Billybob)

Posted on 10/11/2002 7:53:12 AM PDT by Congressman Billybob

I have just checked to find out what documents were filed in the US Supreme Court by Doug Forrester. The lamestream media has blown it, big time. So has the Court's Press Office. Forrester has NOT filed anything new in the Supreme Court this week. On the other hand, the case is still live.

Last week, Forrester filed TWO documents with the US SC. One was the Request for Emergency Relief (which was denied not by Justice Souter alone, but by the whole Court). The other, however, was a Petition for Writ of Certiorari, which is the standard request for the Court to take a case in due course.

Somewhere between Justice Souter's office and the Clerk's Office they LOST TRACK of the Petition for Cert. The Press Office released the FALSE information that only the Request for Emergency Relief had been filed. A lawyer for the National Republican Senatorial Court had to trot over to the Court and point out that there were TWO documents filed, not just one.

Late yesterday, the Court "FOUND" the Petition for Cert, which has NOT been acted upon. The Clerk docketed that paper. The press noticed the docketing, and assumed that Forrester had filed a new case. This was a false conclusion, based on the Court's Press Office getting things wrong at the beginning.

Bottom line: the status of this case in the Supreme Court is exactly what I surmised. The case is dead for emergency relief, but it is very much alive for decision in due course (meaning about eight months from now).

The US SC does not have a set deadline to decide whether to take any case. They certainly will not decide whether to take this one until they see the election results in New Jersey. If Forrester wins, I think it highly likely that four Justices will vote to take the case (that's all it takes), and that will be done. The case will be briefed, argued, and decided.

If Lautenberg wins, the Court will have painted itself into a corner. If they rule for Forrester, what is the remedy? Does the US SC dare issue an Order throwing out a Member of the Senate? To avoid embarrassing themselves, the Court would be unlikely to take the case in that situation.

What I have just said here is the plain unvarnished truth. Anything you read to the contrary in the lamestream media is hogwash. Trust me, I know these things.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Constitution/Conservatism; Free Republic; Government; Politics/Elections; US: Hawaii; US: New Jersey
KEYWORDS: benny; constitution; forrester; lautenberg; newjersey; nj; supremecourt; torricelli
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To: hobbes1; Congressman Billybob
No, the action would be more akin to a DQ, and when the winning horse is DQd....Who Wins?

I don't think it works that way in elections, although I don't have any hard data to back that up. I'm sure the Congressman would know better, if he doesn't mind sparing the time. But my understanding is that if either house disqualifies a prospective member, a vacancy ensues, to be filled by the usual method of filling vacancies, such as in cases of death or resignation.

41 posted on 10/11/2002 8:43:14 AM PDT by inquest
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To: Congressman Billybob
Hmmmm.... What if they decide on November 1 or 4? For Forrester?

It would appear to me that justice would best be served, without any corners to make a decision before the election.

To whom do you appeal Supreme Court Clerical error?

42 posted on 10/11/2002 8:43:43 AM PDT by bert
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To: mondonico
No, my friends, NO. A Forrester victory does NOT make the case moot. There IS a useful outcome after the election.

My second win in the US Supreme Court came in 1983, in a ruling that the election laws of ten states violated the Constitution by seeking to prevent John Anderson from running for President as an independent. Anderson ran in an election that was over three years before, in 1980. But the Court decided the case anyway because this is a "repetitious issue." It was sure to come up again, and therefore they kept the case and decided it.

Exactly the same logic applies here. There will be other requests -- there have already been two in Hawaii -- for state courts to change their election laws in the middle of an election. It would be very valuable for the Supreme Court to tell all who bring such cases, and all state supreme courts which receive such cases, that judges who attempt to rewrite their state's election laws are wrong.

A decision by the US SC states clearly that the NJ SC violated the US Constitution will be very valuable to American elections for the indefinite future. That is true regardless of who wins on the ballot in New Jersey, and regardless of whether the US SC needs to, can, or does order any specific remedy along with its Opinion.

Billybob

43 posted on 10/11/2002 8:44:12 AM PDT by Congressman Billybob
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To: hobbes1
And the power to judge qualifications does not involve the power to decide qualifications. That I do know.
44 posted on 10/11/2002 8:44:27 AM PDT by inquest
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To: Congressman Billybob
Do you think the SCOTUS could grant cert and, if Lautenberg wins, issue a ruling that applies to future cases, but not to him?

gwjack

45 posted on 10/11/2002 8:44:36 AM PDT by gwjack
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To: inquest
It is has never been done, I don't think, but clearly Art 1. Sec 5. makes each house the respective referee of the elections to itself.
46 posted on 10/11/2002 8:44:52 AM PDT by hobbes1
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To: inquest
The power to Judge an election, is the power to judge an election.
47 posted on 10/11/2002 8:45:32 AM PDT by hobbes1
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To: Congressman Billybob
Thank ya' kindly for the update, billybob.
48 posted on 10/11/2002 8:46:25 AM PDT by BOBTHENAILER
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To: Congressman Billybob
Thanks, John. I always appreciate your analysis.
49 posted on 10/11/2002 8:47:46 AM PDT by doug from upland
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To: Eala
No, my friend. Tossing out "a duly elected Senator" is NOT the essence of the case at this point. Post 43 addresses this point.

Billybob

50 posted on 10/11/2002 8:47:53 AM PDT by Congressman Billybob
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To: Bommer
Maybe they hope that Forrester will win (and IMHO he still has a decent chance) and THEN they will slap the Dems down for illegally substituting a candidate.

This would be an excellent chance by someone to sue the Democratic Party for denying them of their legally chosen candidate.
51 posted on 10/11/2002 8:48:50 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants
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To: Congressman Billybob
If things are as you say, and I have absolutely no reason to doubt, we may just see a big CYA on the part of the Court.

Had the Court (the Justices) known that there was also a Petition for Cert, would they have acted differently on the "relief" plea? If so, does the "found" Petition present a potential embarrassment? If so, they're probably looking for a big rug to shove everything under.
52 posted on 10/11/2002 8:52:18 AM PDT by jackbill
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To: William McKinley
Bush v. Gore (another case I participated in) was decided on an emergency basis. Forrester v. Torricelli is not going to be decided on an emergency basis. The Supreme Court does not like to do things on a hurry-up basis. They like to let everyone possible file their briefs, hear the arguments, then debate and decide the case.

The Court believes, and I thoroughly agree, that they do better work that way, than the way they were forced to do (by their own choice to act on an emergency) in Bush v. Gore.

Billybob

53 posted on 10/11/2002 8:52:45 AM PDT by Congressman Billybob
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To: Congressman Billybob
A decision by the US SC states clearly that the NJ SC violated the US Constitution will be very valuable to American elections for the indefinite future.-- Congressman Billybob

Of course you are right-- this will be valuable in the future. But why would they not find it important enough to stop THIS NJ TAMPERING in its tracks, realtime?

How is this different from letting a bank robber get away, then later stating that BANK ROBBERY is illegal and will be punished??

54 posted on 10/11/2002 8:55:04 AM PDT by RobFromGa
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To: Congressman Billybob
If Lautenberg wins, the Court will have painted itself into a corner. If they rule for Forrester, what is the remedy? Does the US SC dare issue an Order throwing out a Member of the Senate? To avoid embarrassing themselves, the Court would be unlikely to take the case in that situation.

Regarding remedy, if the US Supreme Court ruled for Forrester after Lautenburg won I would think they'd remand the case to the NJ Supreme Court with instructions on how to read the law. It's conceivable that the NJ Court would be left with no option but to invalidate the Senate election. Should that happen NJ law says:

New Jersey Permanent Statutes

TITLE 19 ELECTIONS

19:3-23. Vacation of office when nomination or election void

When the nomination or election of a person to public office within this State or any of its political subdivisions shall have been declared null and void, such person shall remove or be removed from such office.

19:3-25. What constitutes vacancy

When a person shall remove or be removed from office because his nomination or election thereto has been declared null and void, such office shall be deemed to be vacant.


55 posted on 10/11/2002 8:56:21 AM PDT by mlo
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To: Congressman Billybob; CheneyChick; vikingchick; Victoria Delsoul; WIMom; one_particular_harbour; ...
Nice work!




56 posted on 10/11/2002 8:56:31 AM PDT by Sabertooth
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To: Congressman Billybob
Understood.

My point was that the corner they painted themselves into isn't really a corner because they can simply dismiss the case in such an instance by stating that no remedy exists, much as they forced the SCOFLAw to do.

57 posted on 10/11/2002 8:56:48 AM PDT by William McKinley
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To: hobbes1
did you see this?
58 posted on 10/11/2002 8:57:52 AM PDT by xsmommy
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To: Big Guy and Rusty 99
I agree. But it's way too late for injuctive relief now. Too little time before the election. This is the second best option.
59 posted on 10/11/2002 8:58:18 AM PDT by Damocles
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To: hobbes1
shoulda figured!
60 posted on 10/11/2002 8:59:00 AM PDT by xsmommy
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