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NEWSFLASH: Another shooting, approx. 9 AM, this time near Fredericksburg
The Free Lance-Star ^ | now | Jim Lakely

Posted on 10/11/2002 6:54:58 AM PDT by seamus

I work in a newsroom in Fredericksburg, and they heard on the police scanner that a person has been shot at a gas station at "Four Mile Fork" which is a neighborhood just south of the City of Fredericksburg.

No details yet, but I wanted to let y'all know -- and keep up the tradition of FReepers getting news first.

Pray for the victim, and pray that this is a random shooting, and that this monster's terror has not widened yet again.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: monster; shooting; sniper
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To: Thisiswhoweare
right in the picture was the Ramada Inn sign. They have that holiday Ramadan (sp?) in a few months.

Oh no, I did not just read that. LOL!

1,321 posted on 10/11/2002 11:07:25 AM PDT by michigander
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To: tomkat
oh, you brawny types....so....brawny. how 'bout a cold beer with a bear?

;)

1,322 posted on 10/11/2002 11:07:58 AM PDT by ZinGirl
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To: ~Kim4VRWC's~
It was a guy that heard the shot and frantically tried to get way.

I think the driver of that van should just call it a day and go get a beer.

1,323 posted on 10/11/2002 11:08:02 AM PDT by CFW
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To: Eroteme
It could be, as you note, the target was chosen specifically because it was under Mr. Policeman's nose. Which suggests that the shooter is in a personal competition with police. He doesn't want to kill Mr. Policeman. He wants to beat him.

Yep. And I think it goes back to the Fuhrman comment. That cops are not God, but that the shooter IS God. That the shooter is the one in control. That a cop can be 50 yards from you and still NOT be able to protect you!

Or--maybe the shooter is following a very specific set of rules on the kills. Is this a scavenger hunt of some sort? Only civilians on the shopping list (so far.) So are these self-imposed rules of the game, or does the shooter not have the authority to alter the game plan, even when a (presumably) higher-scoring kill presents itself?

I think there is a plan.

Which brings me to the question: In what game do civilian kills score highest? Terrorism.

This terrorism, no doubt about it. But, in my opinion, its homegrown. Civilian equals high score? I doubt it! Civilians would be at the bottom of the food chain, imo.

1,324 posted on 10/11/2002 11:08:13 AM PDT by ET(end tyranny)
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To: marshmallow
Thanks, and I'll take a 12 pack. (COLD)
1,325 posted on 10/11/2002 11:08:31 AM PDT by tractorman
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To: CFW
Boy that's for sure. The poster also wrote that the guy hit cars on his way "out" of the area.

If the report is true, I can sure see why everyone thought he was the shooter.
1,326 posted on 10/11/2002 11:09:21 AM PDT by Freedom2specul8
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To: wardaddy
I'll send ya one of those little rug rat knapsacks so ya dont miss deer season WD ! The Kid 'll enjoy the outdoors and the wife surely won't mind :o) (I suggest ya duck when ya suggest such)

Really I will include ya'll in my prayers. Hope all goes well and ten little fingers and toes all wiggle as designed on the new baby.

Stay Safe and please don't name the baby "Tralphast"........:o)

Squantos maybe but not Tralphast.......

Stay Safe , Armed and CYA !!

1,327 posted on 10/11/2002 11:09:27 AM PDT by Squantos
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To: ItisaReligionofPeace
I know now that the poor victim died after arriving at the hospital, but my point remains - MOST of the shootings (IIRC) resulted in an on-site death, at the scene. The fact that the guy lived long enough to make it to the hospital means the sniper missed his mark, at least somewhat.

If my memory doesn't serve, please feel free to correct me (but be gentle:-).
1,328 posted on 10/11/2002 11:09:57 AM PDT by MortMan
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To: Thisiswhoweare
You pay NOTHING and give NO ###s if they are sheltering their own...think out of the box folks...get the blinders off...
1,329 posted on 10/11/2002 11:10:09 AM PDT by chemainus
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To: js1138
"why hasn't he or she come forward? If scared, why not park the vehicle and call the cops for a voluntary search?"

They did. The cops are satisfied the driver paniced and fled in a wreckles mannor for fear of life.

1,330 posted on 10/11/2002 11:10:15 AM PDT by spunkets
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To: ZinGirl
rainy day like this, cold bare w/ a beer sounds more fun ...
1,331 posted on 10/11/2002 11:10:35 AM PDT by tomkat
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To: AmericanInTokyo
...that had TWO people inside...

Thanks, the maid said a woman driving and not sure if 2 people were in the van.

I still don't know if the white van is the shooting platform or the getaway car or if it's unrelated to the crime.

1,332 posted on 10/11/2002 11:10:37 AM PDT by relee
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To: Amore
It's Channel 2.

Oh. That's not good, then. Channel 2's frequency is 54-60 MHz, and antenna size is directly proportional to frequency. For Channel 2, we're talking of an antenna three meters across...

1,333 posted on 10/11/2002 11:10:47 AM PDT by Chemist_Geek
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To: tomkat
Good one. I guess I didn't think of that.
1,334 posted on 10/11/2002 11:10:58 AM PDT by tractorman
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To: mystery-ak
Not that I have any military training, but would a real sniper jump in a vehicle and rush away.

I do not think so.

Maybe he picks the area in will shoot in and then waits for a white van to appear and then does the deed.

Then he has to evade capture. Running or getting in a vehicle would surely make his capture more likely.

Are then any drainage systems/tunnels in the area that this man could be moving around in? Or just moving slowly in the woodlands, if the police think he will always try to be running, they will not really search a large area after a shooting.

In Yorkshire England in the late 70's or 80's there was a person who tried for the SAS and failed, so he went on a sniper-shooting spree.

They had to get a SAS tracker in to find him in the end and when they did catch him, they were actually inches away from him when the track saw him on the ground camouflaged.

He was shot. But it did take weeks and they were searching everywhere, but sometimes maybe it’s the obvious places to look (shooting area), rather than the roads and highways.

So get an experienced Tracker in and Track him down like a dog.

I also think the card was a decoy as the man knows they will bring in profilers. Which is leading the police in the wrong direction. Stay Safe

1,335 posted on 10/11/2002 11:11:08 AM PDT by John_11_25
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To: marshmallow
I'll buy everyone here a cold bear if this turns out to have no connection to the recent messages from Bin Laden and his henchman.

I'm with you...I'll pay half. Did you notice that the killing in Manassas the other day happened within an hour of the story about the guy they took into custody for shooting his house up. It's like the purpose for that shooting was primarily to let everyone know that he was still out there and we still weren't safe.

1,336 posted on 10/11/2002 11:11:33 AM PDT by pgkdan
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To: CFW; Merovingian
One of the first reports

Posted by Merovingian to aristeides
On News/Activism Oct 11 9:48 AM #366 of 1,334

"Total Recall" van has nothing to do with shooting...someone had given info on a similar van with this writing on it...bogus..
1,337 posted on 10/11/2002 11:12:08 AM PDT by Freedom2specul8
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To: VRWC_minion
DC area. It all adds up. Al Gore finally lost it fully.

(*slaps self on forehead*)

Of COURSE!! Why, there's even a famous photo of Gore holding a .223 rifle. Hmmm... ;-)

1,338 posted on 10/11/2002 11:12:22 AM PDT by Charles Martel
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cold bare
1,339 posted on 10/11/2002 11:13:13 AM PDT by tomkat
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To: Charles Martel
{{chuckle}}
1,340 posted on 10/11/2002 11:13:59 AM PDT by Freedom2specul8
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