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Sand-Covered Huns City Unearthed
China Daily ^ | 10-8-2002

Posted on 10/10/2002 5:43:05 PM PDT by blam

Sand-covered Huns city unearthed

10/08/2002

XI'AN: Chinese archaeologists recently discovered a unique, ancient city which has lain covered by desert sands for more than 1,000 years.

It is the first ruined city of the Xiongnu (Huns) ever found, said Dai Yingxin, a well-known Chinese archaeologist. The Xiongnu was a nomadic ethnic group, who for 10 centuries were tremendously influential in northern China.

The unearthed city occupies 1 square kilometre in Jingbian County, in Northwest China's Shaanxi Province, adjacent to the Inner Mongolia Autonomous Region in the north of the country.

It is believed that the city was built by more than 100,000 Xiongnu people in AD 419. Named "Tongwancheng," which means "to unify all countries," the city is composed of three parts: the palace walls, the inner city and the outer city. Watchtowers stand at the four corners of the complex.

The 16 to 30 metre thick city walls are made with sand and white-powdered earth, mixed with glutinous rice water. This intriguing concoction made the earthen walls as hard as those made from stone.

From a distance, the white city looks like a giant ship. The southwestern turret, the highest of the four, is 31 metres high and resembles a ship's mast. The ruined city is now fenced with brush-wood, trees and grass.

"It is the most substantial, magnificent and well-preserved city to be built by any ethnic group in the history of China," said Zhu Shiguang, president of the China Ancient City Society.

Tongwancheng used to be a prosperous city on the upper reach of the Wuding River, a major tributary of the Yellow River. It remained the political, economic and military centre of the southern Ordos Plateau for over five centuries. It was as the river continued to dry up, that the ancient city was buried by moving sands, said Xing Fulai, a research fellow at the Shaanxi Provincial Institute of Archaeology.

Its discovery provides vital information for the study of the Xiongnu tribesmen, who have, to date, remained a mystery to both Chinese and foreign archaeologists because of a lack of adequate historical material and evidence relating to their culture.

Xing said the city ruins will be considered for world heritage status by UNESCO.

Xinhua


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To: blam
Fascinating stuff! If you ever start a ping list (hint hint), I'm sure a LOT of us would be happy to be on it :-)
21 posted on 10/11/2002 8:36:47 PM PDT by Marie Antoinette
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To: Marie Antoinette; ET(end tyranny); FreeLibertarian; Bohemund; Seeking the truth; FreetheSouth!
Okay...Ping.
22 posted on 10/11/2002 8:40:20 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam
Neat stuff. Thanks for the ping!
23 posted on 10/11/2002 9:21:05 PM PDT by Bohemund
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To: blam
I am just overwhelmed by the interest in this thread. LOL!

I'm fascinated by this stuff, bookmark it, and read it again. I'm just not intelligent enough to make comments about it. But make no mistake, it does get read (even though it's 12:30 PM here LOL).

24 posted on 10/12/2002 12:30:45 AM PDT by Boomer Geezer
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To: blam
I do believe that the Xiongnu, the Scytians and the Picts are related.

I think so,too.

25 posted on 10/12/2002 12:42:09 AM PDT by sneakypete
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To: Boomer Geezer
Ooops, meant 12:30 AM here. Anyway, dittos on the ping list if you ever establish one ... add me to it!
26 posted on 10/12/2002 12:46:21 AM PDT by Boomer Geezer
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To: blam
Imagine who is in this whole area around 1800BC!!

The people we now call "Picts". Nobody knows what they called themselves.

27 posted on 10/12/2002 12:51:00 AM PDT by sneakypete
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To: rmlew
Hungarians are a mixed people.

They share a language root with only two other groups of people,the Finns,and a tribe of original Russian "Indians" (for lack of a better word)called the Mari. Since the Mari look and lived exactly like American Indians,and the Finns also had a similiar appearance,I'm thinking the Picts originated in what is now called Hungary,and they are the "missing link" in this stew pot. They were a traveling people,and I strongly suspect they were the original "Vikings",too. This would help explain why this group of white people had a language built on the same base as the Asiatic-looking Mari and Finns.

28 posted on 10/12/2002 1:01:49 AM PDT by sneakypete
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To: blam
The original Scythians were Indo-European; however, some scholars believe they eventually mixed with Mongoloid populations. The Picts were probably related to the Basque, but as far as I can tell, nobody has proven anything definite regarding their ethnicity, only that they were eventually subsumed by Irish and Norse invaders. The Huns, of course, were primarily Mongoloid. Frankly, I don't see how all of this adds up to those populations being related in the sense you are implying.
29 posted on 10/12/2002 1:22:07 AM PDT by Hemlock
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To: blam
Add me! Add me!
30 posted on 10/12/2002 11:14:12 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Black Agnes
"Add me! Add me!"

Okay. I've decided to keep a small 'handwritten' list.

31 posted on 10/12/2002 11:16:08 AM PDT by blam
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To: Hemlock
"Frankly, I don't see how all of this adds up to those populations being related in the sense you are implying."

I noticed that you have an MA in anthropology. I will try harder over the next few days to make a (more) convincing story. PS, I lived out your way in the mid-60's to mid-70's.

32 posted on 10/12/2002 11:21:40 AM PDT by blam
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To: blam
ping me too?
33 posted on 10/12/2002 11:23:38 AM PDT by Clara Lou
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To: Clara Lou
"ping me too?"

Okay.

34 posted on 10/12/2002 11:41:50 AM PDT by blam
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To: blam
"Add me too!!" (...please?!)

I always click on your posts and I'm never disappointed!

35 posted on 10/12/2002 11:45:23 AM PDT by lucyblue
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To: lucyblue
""Add me too!!" (...please?!)

"I always click on your posts and I'm never disappointed!"

Well, okay then.

36 posted on 10/12/2002 12:22:04 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam
I noticed that you have an MA in anthropology. I will try harder over the next few days to make a (more) convincing story. PS, I lived out your way in the mid-60's to mid-70's.

Please do! I'm definitely not saying that you're wrong, only that I don't recall any evidence in support of your position. However, I didn't spend a lot of time studying ancient populations. Ultimately, though, there are links between all populations, so the question is how these groups are related, not if they're related. What I'm saying is that there is no evidence that these groups have a common linguistic heritage or came from a common, identifiable population.
37 posted on 10/12/2002 12:32:59 PM PDT by Hemlock
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To: Hemlock
" What I'm saying is that there is no evidence that these groups have a common linguistic heritage or came from a common, identifiable population."

I understand and appreciate your position... I may not make the case to everyone's satifaction and it will probabably be circumstancial. I think the Altai Mountain region will be the key though. Stay tuned.

38 posted on 10/12/2002 12:41:12 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam
Hmmmmmm. Separated at birth?


39 posted on 10/12/2002 1:19:07 PM PDT by Hank Rearden
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To: blam
Altaic languages include Mongolian, Turkish, Korean and Japanese.

Looking at the spread of these countries, it argues the point that there was a lot of migration, adaptation, assimilation.

as Huns became European in culture
some from Europe and western Asia became Oriental in culture.
40 posted on 10/12/2002 1:26:46 PM PDT by edwin hubble
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